follow-up poll: Do you agree that

[NAOS]

This is a follow-up to yesterday's thread (https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...ith-Hayward-guarding-the-opposing-quot-2-quot) where 87.5% of you saw no problem with Hayward guarding the opposing "2".

The next question I'd like to ask is whether you guys think there is any differentiation between a "2" or "3" in Quin's offense. Let me clarify: Does Quin's system require that a player alter his playing style because he is slotted into the "2" instead of the "3"? Or does his system ask that the player play to the same strengths, regardless of the slot? Yes or No.

 

[Hotdog]

Naospergers


What ****ty thread.

The quality of thing is terrible.

 

[NAOS]

The quality of thing is terrible.

pardon me?

 

[Xsy]

A player just needs to play to their strengths, regardless of position.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I say, for the most part, no.

Matchups do dictate how you have to play though.

For instance, Quinn says Hood is working on his post game.

If he is being guarded by a big 3, he probably won't post up as much. If he is playing against an average/small 2, he will post up more.

As with everything, it's about matchups, not a made-up name.

 

[bigmike]

Most modern day offenses/sets at the college and pro level do not differentiate between the 2 and 3. They're interchangeable. They were under Ty as well.

 

[Hekate]

I love how this is going to "Can Alec Burks play 1 in Quin's system?"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I love how this is going to "Can Alec Burks play 1 in Quin's system?"

More of "Can Alec Burks play the 1 better than Trey Burke?".

 

[Hotdog]

pardon me?

Like it was a really easy question. Look how easy Cy answered it

 

[NAOS]

Like it was a really easy question. Look how easy Cy answered it

is that why you said, "the quality of thing is terrible"? What do you have against thing?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Of the 5 positions in the NBA, the 2 and 3 are most similar offensively and defensively.

There are nuances.
I have nothing solid to back this up other than memory, but I seem to think Hayward plays the 3 better than the 2 both offensively and defensively.

Quin should keep him there because he is currently our best player, and our best player should be played in their most natural and effective position.

The end

 

[Stifle Tower]

The 2 and 3 have been fairly interchangeable in the Jazz systems since the later seasons of Sloan. It's defensively where there might be a difference due to matchups. However the NBA has become a league where you better be able to switch. I think with Hayward's size, he's able to handle tougher guys now. Still remember that epic battle with LBJ early last season.

Not sure what the OP is driving at.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Gordon will be gone in two years guaranteed

 

[♪alt13]

Gordon will be gone in two years guaranteed

Ban this mother ****er

 

[Coach Ellis]

A. 2/3 are interchangeable on offense. Key is who covers who defensively.

B. DeMarre Carroll would still be pretty badass if he came back and can play with any of Hayward, Hood, Burks, Jingles or Exum at the 2. Millsap is the only one I don't think he'd work well with.

C. I think Burks can play the 1 and would ****ing thrive in Trey Burke's current role. There's some real options to who you could play with him based on whose job it is to initiate the offense. I think Burks would be great behind Exum and then getting some burn at the wing as well.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is ultimately an argument of semantics. Technically a wing player (at the 2 or 3) has to have very similar set of skills. However traditionally the 2 is meant to fall between the PF and the PG, leaning toward PG. More of a playmaker generally speaking, strong outside shooting, and speed. And of course the ability to guard the opposing team's 2. The 3 is traditionally meant to fall between the PG and the PF leaning toward the PF. He should bring length, strength, and generally a stronger inside/outside game than a 2. This is just basic basketball. From this standpoint you have wing players that can do both, but generally speaking most players fall into a natural niche. The natural 3 will have to alter his game somewhat when playing in the 2 spot, but he does this in order to 1) fill the role of the 2 in the offense (floor spacer, guard opposing 2, etc.) and 2) be able to bring his strengths to bear in that position. And vice versa for a 2 moving to the 3. Some players have skillsets and physical tools to match up well in both spots, but normally they still tend to play better at their natural position (Hayward is a decent example of this).

So yes, he needs to alter his game. And yes, he needs to play to his strengths. The system has little to do with what an individual player must do to play within that system. It does not remove or negate entirely the nature of the 2 positions relative to each other.