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I think the only real priority this off-season is being able to pick up a backup 4/5 that can spread the floor and shoot with range. Stretch fours have become all the rage over recent years but I'm not saying this to have a token stretch four. The way our team is presently constituted, our biggest need is both shooting and having a reliable player to come off the bench that can play 4 or 5 and preferably both (and not some guy who's 6'7" that we pretend is a center). To complement Favors and Gobert, we need someone who's more offensive-minded or who at least is a shooting threat. Defense isn't as important. I really liked the idea of Spencer Hawes but he ended up in Charlotte. During that discussion people talked about drafting Kaminsky, which I thought would have been ideal, but alas. I'm still somewhat disappointed that we exchanged Kanter for a bag of Cheetos. It would have been nice to at least get a decent rotation player for him like Ilyasova who was sent out as a salary dump.

That being said, there may be a few guys out there who may or may not be obtainable. Some of these guys aren't very good, but I believe their value to our team is much increased by being able to help our offense function more efficiently and open up the floor for other players. As we also have a lot of assets, I believe it's time to go into competition mode. If we're going into next season with the only big guys on the bench being Booker, Pleiss, Lyles and Cooley, then we're not looking to compete. We would not be able to survive at any competitive level if Favors or Gobert were out for any period of time.

A number of people I'm not sure what their status is but I'll just mention all possibilities from top to bottom:

I think Ryan Anderson would be ideal. With the new cap jump his contract is probably pretty reasonable so I doubt NO looks to move him. Kelly Olynyk would be an excellent pickup and has good size. Josh McRoberts plays a small role and I believe I've periodically heard rumblings about him being moved. Probably an unpopular choice and may be overpriced, but I'm a little curious about Andrea Bargnani as I haven't heard anything about him this off-season. I don't think he's a guy you build around but I think he could play a pretty solid and important role complementing Favors/Gobert. I've heard reports of Channing Frye and his contract being something needed for a dump, but I'm not sure how that stands after seeing all the deals this summer. Getting further down the list, what's the status of Chris Kaman's corpse? A guy that I actually wished we had played more when he was with us was Steve Novak. Despite his deficiencies elsewhere, the fact that he can shoot threes at an elite level I thought was worthy for a bit more burn on a team that lacks shooting. And, the last one I can think of that I really wouldn't mind signing is Mr. Red Rocket himself, Matt Bonner.

tl;dr we need a backup center/pseudocenter and preferably a floor-spacing one. The guys we have won't cut it.
 
infection said:
I think the only real priority this off-season is being able to pick up a backup 4/5 that can spread the floor and shoot with range. Stretch fours have become all the rage over recent years but I'm not saying this to have a token stretch four. The way our team is presently constituted, our biggest need is both shooting and having a reliable player to come off the bench that can play 4 or 5 and preferably both (and not some guy who's 6'7" that we pretend is a center). To complement Favors and Gobert, we need someone who's more offensive-minded or who at least is a shooting threat. Defense isn't as important. I really liked the idea of Spencer Hawes but he ended up in Charlotte. During that discussion people talked about drafting Kaminsky, which I thought would have been ideal, but alas. I'm still somewhat disappointed that we exchanged Kanter for a bag of Cheetos. It would have been nice to at least get a decent rotation player for him like Ilyasova who was sent out as a salary dump.

That being said, there may be a few guys out there who may or may not be obtainable. Some of these guys aren't very good, but I believe their value to our team is much increased by being able to help our offense function more efficiently and open up the floor for other players. As we also have a lot of assets, I believe it's time to go into competition mode. If we're going into next season with the only big guys on the bench being Booker, Pleiss, Lyles and Cooley, then we're not looking to compete. We would not be able to survive at any competitive level if Favors or Gobert were out for any period of time.

A number of people I'm not sure what their status is but I'll just mention all possibilities from top to bottom:

I think Ryan Anderson would be ideal. With the new cap jump his contract is probably pretty reasonable so I doubt NO looks to move him. Kelly Olynyk would be an excellent pickup and has good size. Josh McRoberts plays a small role and I believe I've periodically heard rumblings about him being moved. Probably an unpopular choice and may be overpriced, but I'm a little curious about Andrea Bargnani as I haven't heard anything about him this off-season. I don't think he's a guy you build around but I think he could play a pretty solid and important role complementing Favors/Gobert. I've heard reports of Channing Frye and his contract being something needed for a dump, but I'm not sure how that stands after seeing all the deals this summer. Getting further down the list, what's the status of Chris Kaman's corpse? A guy that I actually wished we had played more when he was with us was Steve Novak. Despite his deficiencies elsewhere, the fact that he can shoot threes at an elite level I thought was worthy for a bit more burn on a team that lacks shooting. And, the last one I can think of that I really wouldn't mind signing is Mr. Red Rocket himself, Matt Bonner.

tl;dr we need a backup center/pseudocenter and preferably a floor-spacing one. The guys we have won't cut it.
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Didn't you hear? Pliess has a shooting motion that is unreal!
 
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I was going to say that it might be easier to develop one than to trade or sign for one. Lyles has some potential. We should see what he does with it before making a huge investment elsewhere.
 
Don't see it happening at this point. Roster is pretty full and we already have, assuming Pleiss is signed, five bigs fighting for time in a league that is trending to small ball.
 
Color me underwhelmed with the idea of a 19 year old rookie who shot 13.8% from the college 3 last year to be our floor spacer, regardless of what his shooting form looks like.
 
bigmike said:
Setting an Outlook reminder to bump this thread in 5 years.
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I'm not talking about five years from now. I'm talking about next season. We've been in rebuilding phase for enough that we're pulling into competitive mode. I'm all about internal improvement and I think we're set everywhere else on the roster, but we legitimately need a real big man.
 
Easy bruh. Next year isn't "the year". We will develop Lyles well just like his teammates were developed. He will be rotation-level third big with good shooting by his 2nd-3rd year, which will probably coincide with when our team makes a run for Finals contention.

It'll be okay. If it isn't, we will have the assets to address this need. Patience.
 
infection said:
Color me underwhelmed with the idea of a 19 year old rookie who shot 13.8% from the college 3 last year to be our floor spacer, regardless of what his shooting form looks like.
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$20 bucks says you were with all of us a few years ago complaining about Millsap and Jefferson taking time away from Kanter and Favors development. Now we have even more young talented bigs and we are in full development mode. So you suggest to add some crappy veteran big man to take away minutes from our young bigs?

It's a ****ing stupid idea.
 
Beantown said:
$20 bucks says you were with all of us a few years ago complaining about Millsap and Jefferson taking time away from Kanter and Favors development. Now we have even more young talented bigs and we are in full development mode. So you suggest to add some crappy veteran big man to take away minutes from our young bigs?

It's a ****ing stupid idea.
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If you peruse this list, you'll see most all of these guys play about 20 minutes or less. Someone taking away minutes from Pliess and Lyles isn't quite like two #3 draft picks being on the bench.

But thanks for the negative rep.
 
dalamon said:
Easy bruh. Next year isn't "the year". We will develop Lyles well just like his teammates were developed. He will be rotation-level third big with good shooting by his 2nd-3rd year, which will probably coincide with when our team makes a run for Finals contention.

It'll be okay. If it isn't, we will have the assets to address this need. Patience.
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I think we've got a decent shot at being middle of the pack playoffs in the western conference. Unlike the year we got swept in the playoffs, I believe that's good experience. I think a decent backup big would have a lot more value than the initial value of the individual player.
 
infection said:
If you peruse this list, you'll see most all of these guys play about 20 minutes or less. Someone taking away minutes from Pliess and Lyles isn't quite like two #3 draft picks being on the bench.

But thanks for the negative rep.
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That list of players is horrible. They don't add any wins to our team. Those minutes should go to Pleiss and Lyles....a lottery pick and a top big man from Europe. Not to a list of crappy players nobody wants.
 
infection said:
I think we've got a decent shot at being middle of the pack playoffs in the western conference. Unlike the year we got swept in the playoffs, I believe that's good experience. I think a decent backup big would have a lot more value than the initial value of the individual player.
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HAHA, dude players like Bargagni/Frye are not going to put the Jazz on their back and lead us to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Give it a rest.
 
Jazz are building correctly. We don't need a gimmick like a 3 point shooting big. Anything that keeps Gobert and Favors off of the floor is detrimental to the gameplan. I read that New Orleans has Davis shooting corner 3's over the summer and I think to myself, good, that will be a playoff slot for us. Forcing Anthony Davis outside shooting threes is a win as far as I'm concerned. It isn't hard to box out Ryan Anderson.
 
Who are the teams that have a good stretch big that's forcing us to have one as well? I think a lot of teams that go small-ball with a stretch 4 or a stretch big are teams that dont have a good center or PF that can do other things. They are simply playing to their strengths as we should. We have an excellent Center and PF in Favors and Gobert, we should focus around those players. Favors can "stretch"/"space" the floor just fine with his mid range jumper and his ability to slash to the rim which requires defenders to stay with him. Gobert is developing that mid range jumper that will make players step out on him but also requires attention since he rebounds so well offensively. Those two are going to beat down players on the inside if they try to go small stretch players. We also will dominate the boards giving good perimeter players lots of opportunities to score. Having great interior defenders allows our wings and pg to play very aggressive on defense on the perimeter.

Trevor Booker shot a better percentage from 3 than than Draymond Green, should we put him in as starter over Favors so he can "stretch the floor?" If GS had Favors and Gobert they would start those two and be an even better team.
 
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