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Stoked said:
Rick has already said that they will take and do what they need to in order to survive. That is exactly like Shane. Shane did it for him self, Lori and Carl. Rick simply has a wider group that he will do it for (his group and all the Alexandrians now)
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I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
 
gregbroncs said:
I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
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Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
 
gregbroncs said:
I disagree with this. Shane went out of his way to set up Rick to murder him for his own personal gain. All that Rick does is for the good of his "family". While Rick has become more dangerous as the show has gone along the basic premise that he is doing it for the good of his group has not changed. It was not that way with Shane.
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Their motivations may be different but it is leading them to the same place.

Again Shane was concerned about himself, lori and Carl and would do anything for those three people.

Rick is concerned about his group and will do anything for them.

Does the road really matter if you get to the same place of killing anyone that looks like a threat?

Edit: I wonder how soon it is before Rick kills for personal gain. He was about to do it to Pete before he was stopped.
 
Gameface said:
Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
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I was on the Rick = Shane bandwagon. But after finally seeing the last episode this season, I can't disagree with this. The line "'How many of you do I have to kill to save your lives?" says it all.
 
Rick wanted to get in that girl pants just like Shane wanted to get Lori's pants. That is the main motivation.
 
Gameface said:
Exactly. Shane saw Rick as a rival for Lori. Shane would have killed any one of them for his own, sometimes trivial, benefit. Rick has always acted in a way that he felt was best for his group. He also tries to keep his group on some sort of moral path, although his morals have changed. His group isn't out hunting down other humans and destroying other groups who meant him no harm.

In Alexandria he sees the value of that place. He doesn't want to destroy it and he doesn't want to simply steal it but he isn't willing to let it be destroyed or taken away just because the current residents aren't capable of defending it. That's much different than just getting in and planning to take out the current residents just because he wants to rule it.
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I agree with GF in terms of the rick vs shane debate.

But the last part here highlights what I was trying to get at. Now there is another group to defend. And now they're is another (possibly group of) psychotic killers out there. Every season is really becoming a rehash. Defend the castle from the psycho(s). Get into fight in our own group. Oh shane is bad. But wait the governor is worse. Of but the cannibals are worse still.

So who is the new governor next season? Alexandria is obviously the new prison. In the end it's always the same story. And of course somewhere there is a fresh zombie machine since by now all of the zombies would be decayed to nothing in this amount of time.

I'm starting to lose interest a bit. It helped that they didn't throw their own trope at us this season and summarily execute a main group member (I consider Noah to be ancillary to the main group, especially in keeping with the painfully obvious cliche that the black guy had to die.... They might as well have them wear red shirts). But the fact that they didn't go straight to Glenn going out when it is what we have been conditioned to expect tells me their may be some hope for more original directions to take the show. Other than just.... New community? Check. Badder bad guy? Check. Internal strife and/or budding romance? Check. New disposable characters? Check. Community falls apart? Remains to be seen.... That's the change.

But I do like the character changes they have had so far. Imo a story in which the characters don't change or grow is in the end a weak story. This season was the best yet for real character development, real change in several of our key people. And that, too me, makes for good stories, whether in books or on TV.
 
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The show will remain interesting for a little bit, then it will just BE THE EXACT SAME THING THAT THE WALKING DEAD IS!!! Even though I think this one will end up being better just because of the actors seeming to be better. When your story-lines are limited to running away and surviving in a wold of zombies, acting is really the only thing that can carry a show like this.

AMC really trying to milk this ****.
 
I enjoyed it. I will continue watching.

Best part was the last school scene when the mom/V.P is looking out at the buses and that kid is at a window set and looks over at her and their eyes meet. His look is full of "I told you! You stupid idiot". I hope that kid sticks around but I doubt it. He seems to be the most forward thinking person on the show when it comes to the reality they live in.

I wonder how long they will drag out the show based in LA with a huge walker and non infected population or will it spiral into the tone of The Walking Dead quickly.

If they were smart they would drag out the fall of L.A. for at least the whole first season. Preferably two.
 
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