What's new
By:

Are the Jazz going to have to trade Hayward?

J

JFFR

Well-Known Member
What happens when Hayward opts out in 2017? What makes you think he will stay with Utah? Seems like things could fall apart rather quickly if he doesn't.

Please discuss.
 
No worries if he agrees to sign with someone else just send Gobert and D-Faves to his home to hang out till he changes his mind.
 
JFFR said:
What happens when Hayward opts out in 2017? What makes you think he will stay with Utah? Seems like things could fall apart rather quickly if he doesn't.

Please discuss.
Click to expand...
Sure they could. Hayward's whole family is in the midwest, so there might be some pressure there to play closer to home. We are going to lose a player here and there; every team does. And tough decisions will have to be made; Even with the rising cap, I don't think Utah can afford to pay Gobert and Hayward $30M each; Favors $20M and Hood, Burks and perhaps Exum top dollar.

It's important to have a strong bench and develop players behind the starters. If Hayward leaves, you plug in Hood. If Favors leaves, you put in Lyles, who hopefully develops. And you keep drafting well so you then have more players coming in behind them.

As for Hayward (or any other player), the Jazz just need to stay on their current upward path. Winning, team chemistry, a great coach, good GM - all that could/should play into his decision. I have no doubt he'll opt out. He should. But don't take that as a sign he doesn't want to or won't stay. It just gives him the opportunity to sign a much bigger deal. Is he worth $30M at that point? Well, that's a question that I'm sure will be thoroughly debated when the time comes.
 
Jazz fans mentality in a nutshell:

No all stars - we're doomed, treadmill, package everything we have for a #1 or 2 option
all stars on team - we're not worthy, salvage what we can before they bolt!
 
Jazz4ever said:
Jazz fans mentality in a nutshell:

No all stars - we're doomed, treadmill, package everything we have for a #1 or 2 option
all stars on team - we're not worthy, salvage what we can before they bolt!
Click to expand...

I agree.

Although, it does make sense in some situations. Certainly not the Hayward situation right now
 
I don't know why people are panicking about this. Players will stay where they can win. We now have players around him that he can win with. He's gonna love playing with Favors and Gobert.

But if we would have done what a bunch of dumbasses thought we should have this offseason and traded Derrick Favors for Kristaps, then we would have had to worry.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Jazz fans mentality in a nutshell:

No all stars - we're doomed, treadmill, package everything we have for a #1 or 2 option
all stars on team - we're not worthy, salvage what we can before they bolt!
Click to expand...

If the Jazz were winning 50+ games, Hayward and Gobert would likely be all-stars. Favors is fringe, but there are just too many other PF's who are better or more popular. All-star voting is a popularity contest more than a reward based on performance.

Agree with Hack. Last season we finished with a helluva frontcourt with Gobert, Favors and Hayward. The backcourt struggled due to injury and inconsistency. The bench was thin. While we still have questions at PG now, I think the depth is much better. And just having Hood and Burks for the whole season makes the team a LOT better.

Make the playoffs this season and improve upon that next year and Hayward has a lot of reasons to stay. Stagnate and he likely leaves.
 
Utah will simply have to decide if Hayward will be worth the asking price when he opts out. Hayward won't want to leave if we are playing good basketball, which we should be. We have a group of players that can play very special basketball together
 
We were on a developmental timeline as a team & that was disrupted/delayed when Exum was injured, so now we need to adapt/adjust accordingly (which is exactly why you stockpile future assets like we have). Exum's injury has put us at a crossroad as his development was/is going to play a large factor in how successful the team is over the next two years, which is what will likely determine whether Hayward re-signs (which I believe is unlikely to happen if we're not a 50+ win team & top 4/5 seed by then). We need to commit to (attempting to) retaining Hayward by committing to (attempting to) winning now (& next year) by acquiring a starting caliber PG, but if we're not going to do that, we need to commit to the future by trading Hayward for maximum value now.

Being complacent & doing neither of those things is (imo) the worst thing that we could do as we will unlikely be able to replace him thru FA or the draft, & while losing Hayward for nothing likely wouldn't prevent us from becoming playoff regulars, it would likely prevent us from becoming legitimate championship contenders. Trading for a starting caliber PG (even if it takes a slight overpay in order to do so) is a necessity (imo) as last year's 19-10 finish (as well as our defensive statistics) showed that this core group of players has the potential to consistently compete for championships (given an adequate starting PG & depth) over the next 5-10 years. We need to see this rebuild all the way thru as we appear to be on the verge of something special & it would be a shame to allow an unfortunate injury prevent that from happening.
 
Yeah, we will probably have to trade him, and the rest of the team too. How else are they going to pay for the new arena in vegas?
 
Assuming the Jazz want to offer max money, what teams might be attractive enough to pry him away?

Clippers?
Pelicans?
Rockets?

I think the Spurs are going to decline on account of their guard play deteriorating. They've always needed Parker to play at a high level to be contenders.

I think the Jazz would be an attractive option if his wife likes it here and the Jazz are moving towards contention. I don't think Exum changes the outlook for Hayward that much, tbh. The Jazz have this season and next summer to make the right move to improve. We have almost too much young talent right now. If Hood blows up or if Lyles blows up that changes our outlook.
 
What can/will we be able to pay him according to the CBA? 4 year extension at about 25M per?
 
When Hayward contract is up we will have a really good core without him and still be quite good even if he leaves....... And have a max slot opening for someone else.
Nbd
 
Cunning Linguist said:
What can/will we be able to pay him according to the CBA? 4 year extension at about 25M per?
Click to expand...

It's hard to tell because it's probably going to be under the new CBA and it's not known whether or not they will make any changes to the payment structure. For case of simplicity lets assume they keep it the same - salary cap is projected to be 108M in 2017-2018(when he will be able to opt out of his contract and seek a new one in FA). By that time he'd be 7 year veteran, which qualifies him for 30% of the max. So... the max for him would be 32.4M. Only Utah can give him 5 year deal and only Utah can give him 7.5% increases on the salary. So the absolute max would be about 32.4+34.8+37.2+39.6+42 = 186M/5 years or thereabout.

I doubt that happens, though... those numbers are kind of scary when you think about it.
 
stitches said:
It's hard to tell because it's probably going to be under the new CBA and it's not known whether or not they will make any changes to the payment structure. For case of simplicity lets assume they keep it the same - salary cap is projected to be 108M in 2017-2018(when he will be able to opt out of his contract and seek a new one in FA). By that time he'd be 7 year veteran, which qualifies him for 30% of the max. So... the max for him would be 32.4M. Only Utah can give him 5 year deal and only Utah can give him 7.5% increases on the salary. So the absolute max would be about 32.4+34.8+37.2+39.6+42 = 186M/5 years or thereabout.

I doubt that happens, though... those numbers are kind of scary when you think about it.
Click to expand...

The 32.4M max is the starting salary, not the average over the lifespan of the contract?

Thanks for the response. Love your posts.
 
Oh yeah, and holy **** that's ridiculous. And isn't the rumor right now that the players may lock out in one year?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top