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Are the Jazz going to have to trade Hayward?

Isn't him getting the new max the same as it is now in terms of percentage of the cap? The numbers look ridiculous, but in terms of percentage isn't it not that much different?

Tbh, my gut feeling is the Jazz have to at least win a playoff series if they want to keep Hayward.

I also feel like if his wife tells him she wants to go to Indiana or something, Gordon will do it (but that's just me being cynical). I think the two most dangerous suitors are the Pacers and Celtics.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
The 32.4M max is the starting salary, not the average over the lifespan of the contract?

Thanks for the response. Love your posts.
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I might be wrong on this one... not sure. It might be less than my calculation, but more than the 32.4 average...

The starting one seems to be calculated based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%, so it's probably a bit less... Here's what it says about the 2012 season:

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

They use a different cap calculation to determine the maximum salaries, which is based on 42.14% of projected BRI rather than 44.74%. In 2005 the sides negotiated a different formula for setting the salary cap but not maximum salaries, so the two became decoupled, and this continued in the 2011 agreement. For this reason the maximum salaries are not actually 25%, 30% or 35% of the cap, and instead are a slightly lower amount. For example, even though the salary cap for 2011-12 is $58.044 million and 25% of this amount is $14.511 million, the 0-6 year maximum salary is actually $12,922,194. In addition, for 2012-13 a 5.8% increase in maximum salaries was agreed to, even though the salary cap stayed the same as 2011-12.
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so the difference is about 1.5M on projected 14.5M salaray. So I would guess the difference on 32M would be about 3.2M and his salary might start at 29.2 add 7.5% increases for the next 4 years:

29.2 + 31.4 + 33.6 + 35.8 + 38 = 168M/5... that's crude approximation.
 
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Bird rights - take whatever someone else decides to offer him, add 25+ million to that plus one of the best young cores in the game and a coach to match. I don't see anyone being able to pry him away. Bird rights are a huge advantage for the Jazz if they're committed to keeping him. Even letting someone else set the market, the Jazz can add that 5th year that nobody else can offer.
 
With where the Jazz are at right now, there is simply no way that Hayward bolts if we offer the most money.
 
dalamon said:
With where the Jazz are at right now, there is simply no way that Hayward bolts if we offer the most money.
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Right? These guys keep talking about how special what THEY are building in Utah right now.

If they build it, and it's special, it'll be their baby. They'll need their paydays, but if we give it to them they'll do their jobs.
 
The Jazz will be Championship contenders by then...if Hayward values $$$ over rings, **** him, let him walk.
 
Why do people assume that Hayward has a burning desire to play for his old college coach? If he loved the guy that much he wouldn't have bolted to the NBA after coming two inches short of a national championship. Corbin was Hayward's coach longer than Brad Stevens was, and by the time he is a free agent, Snyder will have been the coach Hayward has been with the longest. Jazz will be better than both Boston and Indiana when Hayward is up and Indiana already has George at Hayward's position. I think we will probably be OK in retaining Hayward.
 
Assume Gobert and Favors get maxxed the following season. Jazz will likely be in luxury-tax territory within a year.
 
Catchall said:
Assume Gobert and Favors get maxxed the following season. Jazz will likely be in luxury-tax territory within a year.
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This is scary. Then there is Burks, hood, and dante
 
If we don't make the playoffs in the next 2 years I would assume he won't come back. That is why making the playoffs this year and getting a PG who can actually play is kind of important.
 
Catchall said:
Assume Gobert and Favors get maxxed the following season. Jazz will likely be in luxury-tax territory within a year.
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Ummm, no. Favors is a good player, but he's not worth $30M. Personally, I don't think Hayward is, either. Gobert IS because he changes games with his defense. But I'm hoping they'll all collectively take less to keep the team together. Probably just a pipe dream.

Jazz can replace Hayward with Hood and hopefully Favors with Lyles if it comes to that. Sure, we lose some of the skills those players have. But we'd become a better shooting team on the perimeter. And if that happens (losing players), well, that's one of the reasons DL has accumulated so many assets, including another first in 2017.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Ummm, no. Favors is a good player, but he's not worth $30M. Personally, I don't think Hayward is, either. Gobert IS because he changes games with his defense. But I'm hoping they'll all collectively take less to keep the team together. Probably just a pipe dream.

Jazz can replace Hayward with Hood and hopefully Favors with Lyles if it comes to that. Sure, we lose some of the skills those players have. But we'd become a better shooting team on the perimeter. And if that happens (losing players), well, that's one of the reasons DL has accumulated so many assets, including another first in 2017.
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Again, repeatedly terrible take on everything.
 
Cy said:
Again, repeatedly terrible take on everything.
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So you think Favors is a max player?

Hayward arguably is, but SF is the most easily replaceable position. And IF Hood continues to improve upon what he did the latter part of the season, the drop-off from Hayward to Hood won't be as steep as it is at other positions. Also, the Jazz have been shopping or at least listening to offers for Favors for two straight years. And they heaped all kinds of praise on Lyles. I don't think it's a stretch (pun intended) for QS/DL to decide they want to go with Lyles to stretch the floor and complement Gobert inside.

Why is this a terrible take? Jazz can't POSSIBLY pay all these players $30M each. Utah will go NOWHERE by having a big-3 of Rudy, Gordon and Favors at $90M or so and filling in 10 other positions with scrubs and youngsters. Unless some of these players take less, Utah will lose at least two of Exum, Hood, Burks, Favors, Gobert and Hayward. Just do the math.

Here, I'll do it for you:
Hayward, Gobert: $30M each
Favors: $25M?
Exum: $15-20M? Just guessing since his value is really unknown after a rocky rookie season.
Burks, Hood (after rookie deal): $15M

That's $130M for six players. Even adjust this up or down by $10M and it still doesn't work because you also have to factor in 7 other players - ranging from the rookie or vet minimum up to whatever is slotted for the 1st round picks Utah has on the team.

So yes, go ahead and attack me you ********************** for every post saying it's a terrible take. But back it up with facts, ******************!
 
Stifle Tower said:
So you think Favors is a max player?

Hayward arguably is, but SF is the most easily replaceable position. And IF Hood continues to improve upon what he did the latter part of the season, the drop-off from Hayward to Hood won't be as steep as it is at other positions. Also, the Jazz have been shopping or at least listening to offers for Favors for two straight years. And they heaped all kinds of praise on Lyles. I don't think it's a stretch (pun intended) for QS/DL to decide they want to go with Lyles to stretch the floor and complement Gobert inside.

Why is this a terrible take? Jazz can't POSSIBLY pay all these players $30M each. Utah will go NOWHERE by having a big-3 of Rudy, Gordon and Favors at $90M or so and filling in 10 other positions with scrubs and youngsters.
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What's the alternative?

A maxed Rudy and some over-paid, but not max worthy role players? Unless the alternative is trading Favors and Hayward for a legitimate, no question about it, top 10 player, there is no better alternative than just signing Hayward and Favors for whatever it takes.

Pretty sure you were one of the clowns clamoring that we shouldn't have paid Hayward last year either and I warned you about how dumb that stance was.
 
And it's a monumental stretch to think that Lindsey or Snyder are thinking about Lyles being able to replace Favors. FO's listen to offers for players all the time. What else are they going to do? That is kind of a major part of a GM's job description, ya know, entertaining trade ideas.
 
The 2017-2018 cap is supposed to be about 108M. The LT 127M.

If the big three are at about 100M combined, that's only 30M in funny money for the rest of the core. I say 30M because I think the Millers would go up to the LT and a bit beyond but I'm not sure they'd do much more. Knowing that, 30M for 10-12 more guys including Hood, Lyles, Burks and Exum just doesn't seem feasible.

My hope is Hayward gets an offer at around 25M and we match. That would be a bargain all things considered.
 
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