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franklin

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The Jazz simply win when he is on the court. His stats often get ugly and he cannot shoot at times, but the Jazz find a way to win when he is on the floor.

The other reason for this is second unit. You have Hood, Alec, Booker, and Neto coming off the bench after Hayward, Ingles, Favors and Gobert abuse the starters while trying to keep Trey Burke from ****ting the bed. Even with Neto as an unknown (and Hood to a lesser extent), I think that's a pretty solid second unit.

We are getting deep.
 
franklin said:
The Jazz simply win when he is on the court. His stats often get ugly and he cannot shoot at times, but the Jazz find a way to win when he is on the floor.

The other reason for this is second unit. You have Hood, Alec, Booker, and Neto coming off the bench after Hayward, Ingles, Favors and Gobert abuse the starters while trying to keep Trey Burke from ****ting the bed. Even with Neto as an unknown (and Hood to a lesser extent), I think that's a pretty solid second unit.

We are getting deep.
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# Don't want Burke to **** bed
# Start Burke
 
The only reason I'd ever be on board with this is to make the 2nd unit that much stronger. Ingles is terrible and his blind love he gets with some posters is worrisome. He is slower than my 4 year old, can't shoot and is an average or below average defender in my opinion.

Maybe I just don't see it but to me he is only on the team to make Dante feel more comfortable.
 
Might not be a bad idea. The argument could be made that Burke, Hood, and Burks are all shoot first players and having two of them on the floor starting together isn't ideal for offensive flow.

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King Cy said:
Might not be a bad idea. The argument could be made that Burke, Hood, and Burks are all shoot first players and having two of them on the floor starting together isn't ideal for offensive flow.

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I agree it might not be ideal but I don't think starting Ingles is the solution. If Burke can't figure out how to be useful he can come off the bench.
 
King Cy said:
So you start Neto who ruins spacing?

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Maybe... he plays defense and his ball movement may make up for some of his lack of shooting. It's certainly not an ideal choice. I guess Ingles could work, but I wouldn't remove Burks or Hood from the starting lineup to do so. Haven't both come off the bench would limit the minutes we get out of them.
 
franklin said:
What am I looking at here? I don't see any breakdown of team composition or opponent, only raw stats that don't tell me anything.
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It says the team with Joe on the floor was losing by 2.0 points per 100 possessions and that the team was 3.8 points per 100 possessions worse with Joe on the floor than with him off the floor.
 
stitches said:
It says the team with Joe on the floor was losing by 2.0 points per 100 possessions and that the team was 3.8 points per 100 possessions worse with Joe on the floor than with him off the floor.
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He played with the second unit a lot though right? Last season Burke, Hayward, Ingles, Favors, Gobert played 128 minutes and was by far our best +/- lineup at +49
 
Lost_Jazz_Fan said:
The only reason I'd ever be on board with this is to make the 2nd unit that much stronger. Ingles is terrible and his blind love he gets with some posters is worrisome. He is slower than my 4 year old, can't shoot and is an average or below average defender in my opinion.

Maybe I just don't see it but to me he is only on the team to make Dante feel more comfortable.
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U do relize he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of the year. It took a while for him to get acclimated to the NBA game. Second half he was pretty damn consistent, and made his teammates better and played hard and smart.

Personally I think your a worthless poster if this is your opinion of Ingles. Yes he's slow and not the most athletic, but plays hard and winning basketball so get over what u saw the first half of the year last year. Ingles is a rotation player on any team.
 
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Thee jazz fan said:
U do relize he shot 40% from 3 in the second half of the year. It took a while for him to get acclimated to the NBA game. Second half he was pretty damn consistent, and made his teammates better and played hard and smart.

Personally I think your a worthless poster if this is your opinion of Ingles. Yes he's slow and not the most athletic, but plays hard and winning basketball so get over what u saw the first half of the year last year. Ingles is a rotation player on any team.
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I haven't missed a game in over 10 years, but thanks. Also, no need for personal attacks. I said that I personally don't think he's that good, and being slow and as you put it, not the most athletic, doesn't help matters. Playing hard is great, having athletic ability at the game's highest level is also pretty important.

Maybe he comes in this year and is a lot better but to me I just don't think he's worth the roster spot. Just my opinion, it's not like I'm damning the guy to hell or something. After all, I did say I'd be okay with the idea with him starting so that our 2nd unit is that much stronger.
 
Locke pondered this in a recent podcast. The reason was based on who is a passer and who is not. He claimed Hayward ingles are ball movers whereas burks and Burke are not. Hood and Neto are maybe in his opinion. this assessment makes me think he should be on the 2nd team to continue his glue work. Also not starting burks might be a team chemistry mistake
 
This would be my lineup.

PG - Hayward
SG - Burks
SF - Hood
PF - Favors
C - Gobert


I think Hayward is the best option out of all the wings to run the point. He is just flat out better than anyone else on both sides of the ball. He doesn't need to be a standard point either. Hood and Burks can share the duties. But I'd have him guard the point guard's though.

Having Hood and Hayward on the court with Burks would be best. He need shooters around him.

Also, have Favors shoot threes.
 
Hack said:
This would be my lineup.

PG - Hayward
SG - Burks
SF - Hood
PF - Favors
C - Gobert


I think Hayward is the best option out of all the wings to run the point. He is just flat out better than anyone else on both sides of the ball. He doesn't need to be a standard point either. Hood and Burks can share the duties. But I'd have him guard the point guard's though.

Having Hood and Hayward on the court with Burks would be best. He need shooters around him.

Also, have Favors shoot threes.
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Hayward turns the ball over way too much. It would just get really bad if u made him the pg.


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Hack said:
This would be my lineup.

PG - Hayward
SG - Burks
SF - Hood
PF - Favors
C - Gobert


I think Hayward is the best option out of all the wings to run the point. He is just flat out better than anyone else on both sides of the ball. He doesn't need to be a standard point either. Hood and Burks can share the duties. But I'd have him guard the point guard's though.

Having Hood and Hayward on the court with Burks would be best. He need shooters around him.

Also, have Favors shoot threes.
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You may be on to something here. We can turn Hayward into our own version of Magic Johnson!
 
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