Wilson Chandler?

[fishonjazz]

I absolutely love Chandler.
I would rather have him than gallo.

I would give allot for him

 

[fishonjazz]

They wouldn't.

Also, it would be impossible to put contracts together to match what Gallinari makes to make the trade eligible. He is getting like 17 per year once his extension kicks in.

I think Lyles/Booker is close enough to be valid for Chandler, but not for Gallinari (besides the point though because he would cost more, unless he gets another major injury, and if that's the case I wouldn't want him).

Would love to get him for Booker and lyles. That would be a steal

 

[NAOS]

You wouldn't give up Lyles?

For context, Chandler just signed a 4 year extension worth a little over 10 million a year (he cant even be traded until January), which is going to be gold in the next CBA (IMO). So if we traded for Chandler with the idea of him being our back-up PF/SF, there really wouldn't be any significant developmental minutes for Lyles during his rookie contract.

I think Lyles could be just as good or better. And I think we can find minutes for him even with Chandler.


(Also, see HH's post. Spot on. Again.)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Covington hasn't played a minute of meaningful basketball in his NBA career and is a terribly inefficient player inside the 3pt line. I struggle to concede his a better shooter after 1 year of shooting it well form deep. He is also a good deal lankier and less athletic than Chandler, from what I've seen. Not sure he can handle backup 4 minutes as well as Chandler.

I haven't watched him enough, but he isn't ineffecient. Has a higher PER than Chandler and shoots a lot of threes at 37.4 % also a good free throw shooter. He is absolutely a better shooter than Chandler.

Everything else you said is true. He plays on a joke of a team, but makes a lot of contested threes. think if you put him with real players he might explode. Has a really high RPM which is weird for players on bad teams. Has a high steal rate too. Basically he's one of those analytical darlings.

Looked for weight measurements on him and he appears similar to Chandler, but the eye test tells me that Chandler is much thicker. He has a similar rebound rate. I think there is a higher upside. He is Detroit Khris Middleton right now... think he could be Milwaukee Khris Middleton if given a chance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do agree with Cy though... this is the type of player we would need. A ready now 4 who gives us some flexibility.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

 

[NAOS]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

Dude, I'm all for getting Chandler. I just don't think that sending them Lyles (a pick from the most recent lottery) and a future first-round pick constitutes "coming down" from Denver's initial demands. I also don't want to get rid of Lyles for a player with Chandler's history.

If Denver is offloading him, it's for future considerations. Give them those. Develop Lyles.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't watched him enough, but he isn't ineffecient. Has a higher PER than Chandler and shoots a lot of threes at 37.4 % also a good free throw shooter. He is absolutely a better shooter than Chandler.

Everything else you said is true. He plays on a joke of a team, but makes a lot of contested threes. think if you put him with real players he might explode. Has a really high RPM which is weird for players on bad teams. Has a high steal rate too. Basically he's one of those analytical darlings.

Looked for weight measurements on him and he appears similar to Chandler, but the eye test tells me that Chandler is much thicker. He has a similar rebound rate. I think there is a higher upside. He is Detroit Khris Middleton right now... think he could be Milwaukee Khris Middleton if given a chance.

He plays for the Sixers, I'm not going to giv much credence to anything they do with their wacky system where they jack up shots and push a ridiculous pace that results in a lot of stats for Covington since he is their only capable wing.

1 year of shooting doesnt trump the solid years of shooting Chandler has put up. One year he shot 41% from deep. Clearly that's an outlier, but we have no idea to know if Covington's year will also be an outlier. We are talking about a guy who plays in a lot of blowouts for the Sixers man.

I don't hate him and I would take him if we could get him, but I'd rather have the more battle proven Chandler.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

Just as risky as giving up on guys too soon. Not saying he's off the table, but I'd rather give a 2016 pick and the OKC pick for him and leave Lyles out of it. Just feels too high.

I think we do almost need to trade our 2016 1st rounder. We have good young players and good prospects at every position. At some point we run out of development time and effort. Unless there is a good Euro to draft and stash.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dude, I'm all for getting Chandler. I just don't think that sending them Lyles (a pick from the most recent lottery) and a future first-round pick constitutes "coming down" from Denver's initial demands. I also don't want to get rid of Lyles for a player with Chandler's history.

If Denver is offloading him, it's for future considerations. Give them those. Develop Lyles.

I think Denver's initial demands would be more like Hood + Pick for Chandler. I think they would "come down" to Lyles. He is a lottery pick, but would he have been picked in the lottery if it wasn't for the Jazz? He could have easily slid to the later teens. He wasn't an unanimous lottery selection by any means.

 

[NAOS]

I think Denver's initial demands would be more like Hood + Pick for Chandler. I think they would "come down" to Lyles. He is a lottery pick, but would he have been picked in the lottery if it wasn't for the Jazz? He could have easily slid to the later teens. He wasn't an unanimous lottery selection by any means.

wow... have any more wild speculation for me? You seem bored as **** today.

How about that baby tattooed on Chandler's throat. Does that signal that he's a family man and will force his way to Utah? Maybe we could just give one pick?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He plays for the Sixers, I'm not going to giv much credence to anything they do with their wacky system where they jack up shots and push a ridiculous pace that results in a lot of stats for Covington since he is their only capable wing.

1 year of shooting doesnt trump the solid years of shooting Chandler has put up. One year he shot 41% from deep. Clearly that's an outlier, but we have no idea to know if Covington's year will also be an outlier. We are talking about a guy who plays in a lot of blowouts for the Sixers man.

I don't hate him and I would take him if we could get him, but I'd rather have the more battle proven Chandler.

I hear you. He isn't that unproven though. 24 and he's been a good shooter in college, d league, and last year. Good free throw shooter which is viewed as a good indicator. I view his experience with Philly as a reason he's undervalued. He shoots a lot of contested threes which he makes. No one creates for him. I think his percentages move up with a team that can help him and I am a pretty big believer in RPM which can occasionally be flukey, but he ticks that box too.

I'd take either for the right price just see Covington as higher upside. Not sure he has a lower floor though. Both are good options.

Side note... I haven't seen you crowing Bobby Portis/ Otto Porter... they look great right now (not sarcastic at all... I have watched and love what I see).