Serious LGBT question - Keep it Nice!

[VINYLONE]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

Lady Moe,

That's a genuine question.

In many lesbian relationships, one of the females is sometimes considered masculine and is typically referred to as the butch one. The girl that cuts my hair is lesbian. She's curvy and pretty and does have short hair but she's still girly in my eyes. Her girlfriend has taken the butch role 100% and dresses more masculine but of course lesbians and gay males are two different beasts. Gay men do NOT, for the most part, cross dress regardless of whether one of them is the more in control or masculine one.

I've worked for many gay couples, mostly men, and they have ALL dressed like "normal" men. That being said, I have never worked for a transgendered person or someone who dresses in drag.

I think if you took a drive through West Hollywood, here in Los Angeles, an area referred to as Boys Town, you'd be hard pressed to find a gay dude cross dressing.

 

[Siro]

I've known a few that do.

But not necessarily gay. Transvestites are often straight. Yet, I've never seen a straight wedding with a groom wearing a dress. I think a dress is simply too associated with being female for a man to use in ritual (in our society). A suit does not have the same association.

 

[VINYLONE]

But not necessarily gay. Transvestites are often straight.

This is exactly right.

 

[♪alt13]

But not necessarily gay. Transvestites are often straight. Yet, I've never seen a straight wedding with a groom wearing a dress. I think a dress is simply too associated with being female for a man to use in ritual (in our society). A suit does not have the same association.

I think firm labels like that are less relevant than your making them out to be.

 

[Siro]

I think firm labels like that are less relevant than your making them out to be.

What?

 

[moevillini]

If a man wanted to wear a dress it's probably going to be hard to find one that fit. A tuxedo being easier to acquire probably has something to do with it. I don't think this is the sole reason maybe just a factor.

not really - probably much easier than you might realize.

Men who cross-dress (for fun or whatever) or those who are "transitioning" can shop at Lane Bryant or other stores or departments that specialize in large/tall sizes

We had a clothing boutique in our little village downtown that actually catered to cross-dressers, transvestites and transgendered men. A large/tall woman friend of mine (who'd had a mastectomy due to breast cancer) liked to go there for her bras and breast prosthethics because the sales clerks were very knowledgeable and helpful. She often was the only female customer in the shop.

 

[moevillini]

...Gay men do NOT, for the most part, cross dress regardless of whether one of them is the more in control or masculine one....

LOL at the stereotype of the "masculine one" being "more in control"

<3

I've worked for many gay couples, mostly men, and they have ALL dressed like "normal" men. That being said, I have never worked for a transgendered person or someone who dresses in drag.

I think if you took a drive through West Hollywood, here in Los Angeles, an area referred to as Boys Town, you'd be hard pressed to find a gay dude cross dressing.

I'm not sure you can be so certain - men who cross-dress often go the full nine yards and you might not even realize they're men, unless you look really closely - but we typically don't stare at others like that.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

 

[moevillini]

Dennis Rodman does not count

 

[RandyForRubio]

Didn't Dennis Rodman get married in a dress?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Oh you guys already got there. Dammit.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Recently I watched the viral video titled "Ryland's Story" which depicts a young girl struggling with her gender identity and choosing to live life as a boy (through the help of her parents). Here is the video if you haven't seen it:

*video*


I had a discussion with a friend at work, and I posed the question regarding why the transgender community elected to attach themselves to the LGB community.

It seems odd to me that the transgender community would attach themselves to this group, as it seems to confuse those who still don't know or understand what it means to be transgender. My friend (I use this term lightly) was under the impression that transgender people are simply gay people that elect to live as the opposite gender to make life easier. We had somewhat of a heated debate, but I still left wondering why the connection exists.

By my limited understanding, transgender people can be either gay, straight, or bisexual. Being transgender has no effect on your sexual orientation, which is exactly what the LGB community is based on.

Does anyone have any understanding as to why these two communities decided to join together? Am I missing something here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJw3s85EcxM

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boy wanting to live as a girl


mods please dont ban me if a offensive word is said in that video. i watched the video and i think its ok to post, heck it was on abc news. the fcc aproved it for all ages

 

[moevillini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJw3s85EcxM

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boy wanting to live as a girl


mods please dont ban me if a offensive word is said in that video. i watched the video and i think its ok to post, heck it was on abc news. the fcc aproved it for all ages

Very powerful video. Thanks Dutch.

And we need to give that family big props for naming their child Jazz!!! It suits her well.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Very powerful video. Thanks Dutch.

And we need to give that family big props for naming their child Jazz!!! It suits her well.

again i am a conservative, and kinda think it is wrong. but i know it is powerful to some.
there are more videos of him/her on youtube. the abc documentary on him/her is longer.
i think it is a delusion and the parents are helping the kid in the delusion. choosing to treat the body instead of the brain is wrong.
but sooner or later time will tell what happens to the kid.
pretty sure when time comes the kid will do gender re-assignment surgery. wonder if that will make the kid feel better.

but i would the parents and the kid are free to do what they want, i would not want others sticking their nose in how i raise my kids. so eventhough i disagree, their live their kid. they are free to make mistakes(mistake in my eyes, viewpoints differ)



edit: since moe likes this video i think it is not offense and wont get a infractions

 

[Deleted member 848]

Though, you'll never be able to convince me that children don't need a married mother and a father. They need what they each have to offer.

Fortunately, America won't need to

thats wut im talkin bout, Dal of 1 year ago.