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Real +/- NBA ratings so far......

tleikheen said:
#34 Favors +3.04 #56
#37 Hayward +2.85 #30
#71 Gobert +1.29 #326
#132 Booker +0.17 #149
#162 Hood -0.24 #307
#173 *Kanter* -0.45 #19
#245 Neto -1.49 #375
#260 Burks -1.64 #76
#264 Burk -1.72 #230
#355 Lyles -2.95 #251

Threw Kanter in there to irritate the Kanter haters that he's well inside the top half in the Real +/- NBA ratings.Last year the Jazz had 3 players in the 400's (Burks,Burke ,Kanter),I guess Burks (#260) and Burke (264) are showing an improvement this year.
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I noticed you forgot to put in each player's salary ranking. I helped you out by adding that to the right. Now, what were you trying to tell us about Kanter?

P.S. Kanter's salary rank exceeds his RPM by a multiple of nine. Wow!!! I wonder if there's another player in the league with as large a disparity. Did you point out this list because you hate Kanter or something? No need to throw fuel on the fire, dude, we already know he is worth nowhere near what he's getting paid.
 
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^Dug a little deeper. Kanter is not the worst in the NBA in this rankings comparison. Kobe Bryant ranks #1 in salary and #370 in RPM. Holy ****. Obviously, unlike Kanter, he's sort of being paid for past performance, but wow is he ever being paid.
 
^Dug deeper still. Joe Johnson is the #2 paid player in the league and #294 in RPM. He is not being paid for past performances. In other words, he makes Kanter look like a bargain!
 
Kanter by far has the best RPM on the OKC bench with the exception of Nick Collison who kanter still has better RPM but only barely. Your RPM is very dependent on who you play with. Considering Kanter is 2 or even 3 points better in RPM compared to who he usually plays with. Too much talk about Kanter and not enough about Trey Lyles....
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Kanter by far has the best RPM on the OKC bench with the exception of Nick Collison who kanter still has better RPM but only barely. Your RPM is very dependent on who you play with. Considering Kanter is 2 or even 3 points better in RPM compared to who he usually plays with. Too much talk about Kanter and not enough about Trey Lyles....
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Presumably adjusting for that stuff is the whole point of RPM. It's supposed to eliminate the need to factor in who they're playing with. Whether it works or not is a different story.
 
Siro said:
I was exaggerating about Booker, but 132nd is a solid starter, which he clearly is not (he's not even a good back up). And Burke and Burks are clearly not some of the worst players in the NBA. Yes it agrees with the eye test on the best three players, but the rest is suspect. So what value is a stat that gets more than half the players wrong? Since an average fan can do better just watching the games, I'd say next to nothing.
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That's why you use stats, cause your eyeballs will miss things quite easily. You are saying the average fan is really astute at measuring NBA talent by watching a few games? Not so much.
 
zman1527 said:
That's why you use stats, cause your eyeballs will miss things quite easily. You are saying the average fan is really astute at measuring NBA talent by watching a few games? Not so much.
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I don't disagree, but at some point things are a bit absurd. RPM gets some things right and a lot of things wrong.

Explain to me how Trevor Booker has a better defensive rating than Rudy per this measure. Better yet, would you rather have KG in his 20th season, because by this measure he is ranked #11 DRPM. Rudy is #36.

One thing that I think it severely lacks is rating who the player is playing against. Another thing that it doesn't account for is chemistry between players.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Kanter by far has the best RPM on the OKC bench with the exception of Nick Collison who kanter still has better RPM but only barely. Your RPM is very dependent on who you play with. Considering Kanter is 2 or even 3 points better in RPM compared to who he usually plays with. Too much talk about Kanter and not enough about Trey Lyles....
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Trey Lyles is a 19 yr old rookie.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
GSW have 5 players who are top 5 RPM in their position. I have a sneaking suspicion it doesn't adjust enough.
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GS is starting with a +13.4 points per game so even when you deduct for other great players on the floor you are going to wind up with top ratings (or there is something very wrong with the stat).
 
DRPM among centers:
....Only four of 73 centers have a negative DRPM and Kanter's is -1.34
....max = 6.17
....min = negative 1.56
....median = 1.7
....Last two season Kanter was dead last
 
silesian said:
DRPM among centers:
....Only four of 73 centers have a negative DRPM and Kanter's is -1.34
....max = 6.17
....min = negative 1.56
....median = 1.7
....Last two season Kanter was dead last
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Well RPM looks at your team with you vses without you. Kanter defense was compared against Rudy Gobert in DRPM last year.

Now it is compared against the pairing of Serge Ibaka and Steven Adams.

Not very many centers have such good defensive counterparts in the same position as Kanter does.

Kanter is bad at defense. And in the conversation as top 5 worst in the NBA for a starting caliber center. If he was better he would be an Allstar considering his good scoring and elite rebounding.

cowhide said:
Trey Lyles is a 19 yr old rookie.
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Jazz gets a bunch of young talent and loses/gets rid of them as soon as they start to get a little bit older so Jazz fans are able to recycle the "oh he is only just young" excuse when they play absolutely abysmal. Very hard to find people who played as bad as Lyles is outside the lottery. Jan Vesely and Thomas Robinson maybe?

The early returns of Lyles are horrible, regardless of age.
 
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