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I have one comment on drafting Burke.

Wasn't the rumor that Corbin was the one that really, really wanted Burke and that is the main reason we drafted him? If so I'm not sure I can pin that fully on DL/KOC/whoever even if they did sign off on it. I don't know if the pick is a correct representation of drafting philosophy though.
 
Nope.
Lots of posters are nothing like me.

You are the only one that I have said has recently turned into a very bad poster though.

Not to mentioned that he dropped a Goodwin on you.

Guess that's what he does when someone isn't like him. ;)
 
I have one comment on drafting Burke.

Wasn't the rumor that Corbin was the one that really, really wanted Burke and that is the main reason we drafted him? If so I'm not sure I can pin that fully on DL/KOC/whoever even if they did sign off on it. I don't know if the pick is a correct representation of drafting philosophy though.

I think DL came out at that time and said Burke was drafted because of Corbin.

But for me that still lands on the GM. He was the man in charge and he made the choice. Corbin might of been pushing hard for Burke but welcome to being the man DL. You get the credit and the blame.
 
meh.. I'll break my silence to comment here. This is an interesting topic. I like roster composition/draft strategy talks..

The Trey Lyles(Who's got 21 starts and counting) comments from OP are biased, he holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20...Let me repeat that again - He holds a grudge against Trey, who's 20!!!! Hack's the Violet Beauregard of Jazzfanz. these type of threads and their tone, fall right in line...

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To say Lyles doesn't have the potential for incremental advances, year-over-year, is the assessment of a fool. Obviously, it's too early to call definitively - he's 9/23 from 3 on the season and still, he's not earned any slack from some here!?!?...

For now, he's shooting the NBA 3 better than the college 3... He's certainly far from hopeless, it's absurd to even use that word when speaking on Lyles.. Big guys take longer to develop, Trey's certainly been showing better lately. He's great for the ball-movement, I don't think he's easily replaceable at-all, certainly not at his pay grade.. That's not what I want to talk about though..

It's also worthy of note that the Jazz have had many lottery picks of late and usually players with notorious attitude issues aren't even in that range.. If they didn't take Lyles, I'd have wen't with Cameron Payne or Devin Booker, both of whom present themselves as good guys all the time, Payne's a gregarious southerner.


I do think the Jazz could use 2 or 3 rotation players with some serious attitude, and I do think they could take more fliers on risky players in the 2nd round, because of their glut of picks. Trevor Booker certainly fits this profile I'd say so does Rudy... I'd imagine that's what they were hoping for from lil Sap.. And now Chris Johnson, Raul Neto, maybe Favors or Withey... I'm not sure if that type of 'nasty' attitude is something you want to pay a premium for in the NBA draft though, over time it'd prove to be misleading -- Thats what got Tyrus Thomas drafted so high..right?

Also I'd contend you can find those type of players in the 2nd round... Draygoon Green might ring a bell..

Now as far as the draft strategy, I think what their doing and have been doing, is pretty good, dunno how you could argue otherwise.. Maybe don't always grab the BPA, who does though?!? They're certainly damn accurate, which counts for plenty, Hood and Gobert are nothing less than grade A+ picks, in the 20's..

Hayward has proven to be a great pick.. Neto looks like a damn serviceable 2nd round pick.. Trey Burke's recouping plenty of value in his pivotal 3rd season - A great sign.

Burks has been steadily improving, Dwayne Wade called him the most underrated player in the NBA the other day.. He's 36% from 3 for his career, and 38% in the last 2 seasons combined, how could anyone with reasonable standards argue he wasn't a good pick? Sure he wasn't the best possible pick, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick though..

It's too early to call the Exum pick. I think it will prove to be a worthy gamble though, they surely could've done much worse.

Kanter was certainly a good pick too... They didn't get a good return for him, that doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick. He's currently the 17th highest paid player in the league and 23, 2 teams that weren't the one that drafted him appraised him to be worthy of that contract -- Which certainly justifies taking him 3rd overall..

When it comes to the Jazz and the draft recently. I'd equate it to hitting in baseball.. They're hitting at least .300 which is well above league average.. Which also means they've earned the benefit of the doubt.. Now also at the same time, they've stocked up extra picks, meaning any concerns could potentially be filled in any number of ways, AKA There's little reason to be concerned with anything Jazz/Draft related...
 
Omg. Are u being serious?!?! This is why all my posts directed at u are the same. Fact of the matter is we are rebuilding. Rebuilding is not just a 3-5 year process unless u get lucky by getting a LBJ or Curry type players, and there's a lot of luck involved in that. Secondly... No team is perfect when it comes to the draft. Like the Jazz every team has their hits and misses. Also, it's important to recognize that just about every time they take a risk in the draft it blows up in their faces. Let's also not forget that they have had their share of success in the draft.

Just a few of our good picks...

AK47. 24th pick

Millsap second round.

Deron Williams 3rd pick. (Some experts will say he was better then cp3 during his Jazz days and his teams had more success then cp3's teams did )

Hayward, yes we missed on George, but none the less Hayward was one of the better players selected in the draft and we are lucky to have him.

Burks. 12th pick. One of the better 6th men in the league. By the way who was considered one of the more risky picks? Kanter. How'd that work for the Jazz.

Hood. 23rd pick. A lot of teams passed on him. He's actually doing more then both Hayward and George did their first two years. Not saying he will be as good or better, but u never know. Just interesting to think about

I'm probably missing some names, but damn Hack who's opinion doesn't match with reality?

Aren't u glad I didn't have the same old tiresome take of you're an idiot?
































By the way, you're still an idiot!!


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That's great.

Now let's look through non Homer glasses.

2007 - Morris Almond over Aaron Afflalo. Fesenko over Mark Gasol

2008 - Kostas Koufos over a bunch of good players, Ibaka, DeAndre Jordan, George Hill, Nicolas Batum, Goran Dragic.

Ibaka and Jordan stand out the most here. We needed rim protection, and we chose Kosta Koufus, who by the way was getting the same praise Lyles is getting now.

2010 - Even though Gordon turned out good, it was still a mistake to take him over George. Hayward was mocked well after where George was sitting. It was reach for the choir boy.

2011 - Kanter over Knight was dumb. We didn't need another big. We needed a point guard, and Knight projected to be a better player. Kanter was an unathletic stiff.

Burks over Leonard was a disaster.

2012 - Didn't tank like we should have, and missed out on the GS pick and our own pick.

2013 - traded up to take the worst point guard out of all the top point guards. Also missed out on other players because of that bad trade. Taking Burke over McCollum was a joke.

2014 - Jazz half *** the tank and miss out on some better players. They take Exum who has proven nothing and is soft mentally. Scared to even make a layup. Gets hurt when he tries. That's yet to be determined, but it doesn't look good. Could have taken future Superstar Zach Lavine.

2015 - Lyles over a whole bunch of better prospects.


Jazz roster to date

Gobert, best asset. Great pick. But got lucky. Should have missed out when they traded both pick for Trey Burke

Hayward - great pick, but was still a mistake taking him over George.

Favors - traded for

Burks - sucks. Horrible pick taking him over Leonard

Hood - Good pick. Got lucky he slidl so far.

Lyles - sucks. Soft player

Exum - sucks. Soft player

Trey Burke - sucks

Neto - sucks, but a really late pick.

The rest not even worth mentioning or weren't drafted by us.


That's not evidence of good drafting.
 
That's great.

Now let's look through non Homer glasses.

2007 - Morris Almond over Aaron Afflalo. Fesenko over Mark Gasol

2008 - Kostas Koufos over a bunch of good players, Ibaka, DeAndre Jordan, George Hill, Nicolas Batum, Goran Dragic.

Ibaka and Jordan stand out the most here. We needed rim protection, and we chose Kosta Koufus, who by the way was getting the same praise Lyles is getting now.

2008 the Jazz made a horrible decision.

2010 - Even though Gordon turned out good, it was still a mistake to take him over George. Hayward was mocked well after where George was sitting. It was reach for the choir boy.

2011 - Kanter over Knight was dumb. We didn't need another big. We needed a point guard, and Knight projected to be a better player. Kanter was an unathletic stiff.

Burks over Leonard was a disaster.

2012 - Didn't tank like we should have, and missed out on the GS pick and our own pick.

2013 - traded up to take the worst point guard out of all the top point guards. As long missed out on other player because of that bad trade. Taking Burke over McCollum was a joke.

2014 - Jazz half *** the tank and miss out on some better players. They take Exum who has proven nothing and is soft mentally. Scared to even make a layup. Gets hurt when he tries. That's yet to be determined, but it doesn't look good. Could have taken future Superstar Zach Lavine.

2015 - Lyles over a whole bunch of better prospects.


Jazz roster to date

Gobert, best asset. Great pick. But got lucky. Should have missed out when they traded both pick for Trey Burke

Hayward - great pick, but was still a mistake taking him over George.

Favors - traded for

Burks - sucks. Horrible pick taking him over Leonard

Hood - Good pick. Got lucky he slides so far.

Lyles - sucks. Soft player

Exum - sucks. Soft player

Trey Burke - sucks

Neto - sucks, but a lot really late pick.

The rest not even worth mentioning or weren't drafted by us.


That's not evidence of good drafting.
You suck
 
Why?

Cause I'm not gonna cheer for everything the Jazz do no matter what?

How does that make you better than me? Isn't being honest with yourself and others the best way to go?
I don't cheer for everything the jazz do
 
People that this deeply disagree with their team really should consider taking a sabatical. The negativity is gonna destroy a person. If you have nothing to cheer for, what's the point of being a fan?
 
Their picks swing safe, yes, but it's also a difficult task to really say they've whiffed. Rather than naming all the names we all know, I will just leave it at that and question how anyone with intellectual honesty can cherry-pick might-a-beens in hindsight and be critical of it all.

But that's fans for ya. The FO does their job and we certainly do ours.

could have closed the thread with this comment right here.
 
i can't believe we didn't trade all future firsts for 2008 Kevin Garnett. We totally blown it
 
People that this deeply disagree with their team really should consider taking a sabatical. The negativity is gonna destroy a person. If you have nothing to cheer for, what's the point of being a fan?

That or find a team that does things the way they like.
 
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