The End

[Gyp Rosetti]

...my only friend The End...

 

[gomretat]

Miller blew it on Sloan. He did the gutsy right move on Deron.

 

[Fishsticks]

Koc may have said be patient, however the team did not gel or grow as he anticipated. Do you think deron had the stomach to face the inevitable and blow the team up again? No. Trading Deron was the first piece. This team will look very different after this season.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

Unfortunately JF_2814's original post still seems to go over quite a few heads here.
I had written about some of the same things in the other thread I started yesterday.

This is not as much about whether trading Deron now was a good/bad move. How did we let this happen? How did we get to this point at all? Thats the issue.Even 2 years back, KOC was selling this stuff about having patience with a young team and building to win a championship. We were supposed to be just a piece or two away from being an elite conteder. And now just 2 years later, he is all about the next rebuilding plan.

Did any reporter at this point ask him about what happened to the previous rebuilding exercise? Right.You would'nt expect anyone in SLC media to embarass Greg or KOC like that. They are like, extended company men. Some of them are paid to paint a rosy picture for the season ticket holders.

In 2014 or 2015, I suspect, if I am still around here, I will see a similiar thread talking about how in the world could the Jazz let Favors walk away and could have traded AJ or Harris for cost cutting reasons. And KOC would be laying out his rebuilding plans for a championship in 2020. He is already onto his second rebuilding in 6 years. That tells the story.

Exactly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_NDmzL9lrg

 

[mfree]

There is only one champion each year. Every team is looking for a combination of players that has a chance to win it. Some realize they are a few years away, and are looking for progress. Others think they are a player or two away, and keep looking for that last link or two. Every team wants to be a winner, and only one per year is successful.

The Jazz tried to build around a couple of free agents (Boozer and Okur). They were good, but not good enough. Then they tried to add Deron Williams... Better, but not good enough to win a championship.

Do you keep trying to build around DWill? At what point do you say "he makes us good, but not good enough?" or "He won't be here long enough tot build around?"

Most rebuilding plans by most teams fail most of the time. That is a fact of life in the NBA. As long as anything less than a championship constitutes failure, there will be a lot of miserable fan bases.

I don't think the Jazz could win a championship with the core they have had, nor was DWill going to stay around long enough to build around him. I applaud them for saying "the last two rebuilding attempts failed, so lets try again a different way."

How did they get to this point? They gambled (everyone team does it because nobody is a proven commodity in the NBA) and won a few and lost a few. I hope they keep gambling, and one day they will win.

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE END!!!

 

[sahlensguy]

There is only one champion each year. Every team is looking for a combination of players that has a chance to win it. Some realize they are a few years away, and are looking for progress. Others think they are a player or two away, and keep looking for that last link or two. Every team wants to be a winner, and only one per year is successful.

The Jazz tried to build around a couple of free agents (Boozer and Okur). They were good, but not good enough. Then they tried to add Deron Williams... Better, but not good enough to win a championship.

Do you keep trying to build around DWill? At what point do you say "he makes us good, but not good enough?" or "He won't be here long enough tot build around?"

Most rebuilding plans by most teams fail most of the time. That is a fact of life in the NBA. As long as anything less than a championship constitutes failure, there will be a lot of miserable fan bases.

I don't think the Jazz could win a championship with the core they have had, nor was DWill going to stay around long enough to build around him. I applaud them for saying "the last two rebuilding attempts failed, so lets try again a different way."

How did they get to this point? They gambled (everyone team does it because nobody is a proven commodity in the NBA) and won a few and lost a few. I hope they keep gambling, and one day they will win.

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE END!!!

True. It's a beginning.

While I sympathize with the OP, time doesn't wait for the hopeless romantic, and the fact is is that Larry is no longer with us. That's just how it is. It's Greg's team now, and perhaps he wished for Sloan and his shadow to be gone. Trading Deron first would have only made it more difficult for that to happen.

Greg is now free to put his own stamp on the club's future. I can't blame a kid for wanting that. Now it's time to hope his intentions are to win a championship. Only time will tell.