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Why Hayward is not an all start/subscript: his limitations

Hayward is inconsistent creating for himself, but he is very smart and does a great job flowing within an offense and using off ball screens and cuts. Unfortunately our offense is not set up to allow for easy points.
 
akirac73 said:
Talk about aiming low...what about this?: "Hayward has kind of become Michael Jordan during the Washington Wizards days. And that's without Jerry Stackhouse and Christian Laettner around him."?
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Yeah, Paul Pierce, the finals MVP, aiming real low.
 
Sorry about the "t" after All Star. :)
Also, I was worried about people thinking I was bashing him. I really like him as a player. And he's a good guy, etc, etc. I just think we should see him for what he is. And that's not limiting him; he could improve, heck, he's improved a lot already. But he's not going to get faster. He has a phenomenal step back. You know why? Because he can't go past. That's okay. He's carved out a great spot, but it's not an all-star spot, and we can't win with him as our #1 option. Even the unabashed Hayward worshipers know that. I just think we need to surround him with better help. I love Joe, but, you know. . .he sucks. :) Burks is hurt, and I think his game is crazy, and is gonna put him in permanent traction. I think they both need to go, and if it means getting rid of favors to get someone better, well, we haven't done substantially worse without favors in the line-up. I like favors, but I think we could add more than we lose by dumping him.
 
actusreus said:
Sorry about the "t" after All Star. :)
Also, I was worried about people thinking I was bashing him. I really like him as a player. And he's a good guy, etc, etc. I just think we should see him for what he is. And that's not limiting him; he could improve, heck, he's improved a lot already. But he's not going to get faster. He has a phenomenal step back. You know why? Because he can't go past. That's okay. He's carved out a great spot, but it's not an all-star spot, and we can't win with him as our #1 option. Even the unabashed Hayward worshipers know that. I just think we need to surround him with better help. I love Joe, but, you know. . .he sucks. :) Burks is hurt, and I think his game is crazy, and is gonna put him in permanent traction. I think they both need to go, and if it means getting rid of favors to get someone better, well, we haven't done substantially worse without favors in the line-up. I like favors, but I think we could add more than we lose by dumping him.
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name one player that we could get for Favors that would be better ..
 
Who's the idiot? If you're talking about me, name one thing I said that was stupid, as opposed to just different from your opinion. And then, after you realize you can't, tell your mom to keep tugging on your head. . .eventually it'll come out of your butt.
 
actusreus said:
Who's the idiot? If you're talking about me, name one thing I said that was stupid, as opposed to just different from your opinion. And then, after you realize you can't, tell your mom to keep tugging on your head. . .eventually it'll come out of your butt.
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Calm down bro, we just have fun here... relax and hunker down.
 
actusreus said:
Who's the idiot? If you're talking about me, name one thing I said that was stupid, as opposed to just different from your opinion. And then, after you realize you can't, tell your mom to keep tugging on your head. . .eventually it'll come out of your butt.
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You're sexy when you're angry.
 
actusreus said:
1. He's not elite athletically.
2. He's not that fast.
3. He scores a lot from the free throw line, just like Harden, but unlike Harden, he can't get past guys. That's why he has to do all the long steps, the contact and hangs, the head flailing, looking for fouls. I give him mad props for crafting his game around his limitations, but it's definitely not fun to watch. Everyone on here knows that every time he drives, the odds that he'll slip, turn it over, or get rejected, are equal or greater to the odds he'll make the basket. Not good.
4. He's really improved his shooting, and he's a great passer, but you saw what happened last night. When he and Kemba were neck and neck, Kemba kept his foot on the gas, and Gordon choked. Well, that's not fair, 36, or whatever he had, definitely not choking. But each guy needed to do more to win, and one guy did. (Note, the guy who did isn't on our team, lol)
5. I really like our team, and I really like Gordon, but come on, he's not an all-star. And this team can't compete without every single player healthy and contributing. Even then, we're never beating the top two seeds in the West. One star away. . .
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Ok fine!!

1. Who says u have to be an elite athlete to be an allstar. Look at our own John Stockton. Also Hayward is very big and strong and more physical then most sf's which allows him to get into the paint with relative ease absorbing contact quite nicely. He may not jump out of the gym, but that's not the only aspect of being athletic.

2. Speed also has nothing to do with being an allstar. Not being this speedster has not stopped him driving the lane. U flame he isn't able to get around defenders causing him to not be able to drive. Again see #1. If he wasn't diving the lane with some success, he wouldn't get to the line like he does. His strength makes up for what little speed he may or may not have. See Paul Pierce.

3. Lol. This is idiotic. Harden does the same thing.

4. Hayward is still improving. Earlier in LBJ's career he would disappear consistently now he's the man down the stretch. Haywards mentality is very similar to the King. He's more of a facilitator then actual scorer even though they score a ton of points. Even though it seems he has gotten past because of who he is and being regarded as the best today he still struggles with playing kind of passively.

5. The fact that Hayward is one of thirty players selected for the olympic tryout thing suggests the experts feel otherwise.

6. Sometimes fans are idiots. U should check with me before using the net.
 
The thing is... We don't have any other ****ing choice! He's the guy on this mediocre team. Nope he isn't a 1st option on most teams. But he is ours. No matter how many dumb shots or turnovers he has at the end of games. We bow and suck his d1ck because we are Jazz fans. And right now, he's the best we got.
 
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