Taking Charges and Flopping

[Handlogten's Heros]

Has anyone noticed we don't take any charges... like none. Ersan Illyasova has taken 28 this year... the Utah Jazz as a team have taken 9. We don't even try to take charges. It is literally the best defensive play and requires very little skill (just coaching and smarts).

Between this and watching our guys get killed night in and night out going to the rim making basketball plays and getting no calls i think we need to start flopping like the rest of the damn league. Harden moves his arms toward other players bodies and arms just to make contact and flail around. Our guys go to the rim strong and get nothing... I admire them and thought they'd start getting the benefit of the doubt, but that is not how it's going down.

The league is officiated terribly right now, but if this is the set of circumstances we have to live with we can't have the floppers getting these calls night in and night out... It may be time for us to join the clown show... hire Battier and figure out how we accentuate this contact and get some friggin calls.

 

[Game6Conley]

It's really not the best defensive play though, not with the way that NBA teams fast break.

I love the block party that is Utah Jazz basketball these days, hope it never ends.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Last year we took 19 charges... 8 individual players took more charges than our whole team last year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's really not the best defensive play though, not with the way that NBA teams fast break.

I love the block party that is Utah Jazz basketball these days, hope it never ends.

A block turns into a loose ball which can result in the other team getting it and scoring. A charge results in an opposing player getting a foul and in getting the ball. Rim protection is important for sure but if you ask me if I'd rather us get a block or take a charge... I'd take the charge every time.

A live ball steal is actually the best defensive play, but steals overall are kind of overrated because of the gambling that promotes the steals.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not trying to argue with PGAB here... just find it curious that our non-shotblockers like Booker, Hood, Lyles, Neto, Burke... don't even try to take charges.

 

[GVC]

Between this and watching our guys get killed night in and night out going to the rim making basketball plays and getting no calls...

The Jazz are 18th in the league in % of total shots taken within 3 feet, and 15th in % of shots taken from 3 to 10 feet -- in total, they're 17th in % of total shots taken within 10 feet. In spite of this, the Jazz are 8th in FT/FGA. They get lots of calls.

The league is officiated terribly right now...

The officiating the last few years has been markedly better than it was 5-10 years ago IMO.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz are 18th in the league in % of total shots taken within 3 feet, and 15th in % of shots taken from 3 to 10 feet -- in total, they're 17th in % of total shots taken within 10 feet. In spite of this, the Jazz are 8th in FT/FGA. They get lots of calls.

The officiating the last few years has been markedly better than it was 5-10 years ago IMO.

I'm not sure those numbers have a direct correlation, but you did homework so fair enough. I believe drives would be a more accurate measure but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Officiating is a clown show... guy falls down he gets a call... guy plays through contact like he should and it doesn't get called. I wouldn't call anything I considered close for the floppers... they make the refs look stupid when you review the tape. I think instead of a flopping violation they need to get a scarlet letter on their jersey reminding the ref that they are a flopper and you can't react to their stupid exaggerations.

I think I meant to bring up charges and then went on a flopping rant... the charges deficit is an issue.

 

[GVC]

I'm not sure those numbers have a direct correlation, but you did homework so fair enough. I believe drives would be a more accurate measure but I'm too lazy to look it up.

1. Not going to check, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a correlation.

2. Per NBA.com's Team Tracking stats, the Jazz are 5th in drives per game, despite their relatively slow pace. Still, the Jazz are also 8th in FT/FGA.

Officiating is a clown show

We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. NBA officiating has gotten much better in recent years.

 

[GVC]

I'm not trying to argue with PGAB here... just find it curious that our non-shotblockers like Booker, Hood, Lyles, Neto, Burke... don't even try to take charges.

It might be a function of the quality of rim protectors on the team; the Jazz have three of the best. Attempting to draw a charge frequently leads to a defensive foul call, precluding one of the Jazz's shot blockers from making a play, while also gifting easy points to the opposition.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It might be a function of the quality of rim protectors on the team; the Jazz have three of the best. Attempting to draw a charge frequently leads to a defensive foul call, precluding one of the Jazz's shot blockers from making a play, while also gifting easy points to the opposition.

I watch Hood and Burke in transition and they don't even try. I agree it is in part a product of our shot blocking, but in transition you might as well try. Hood would likely give up an and 1 anyway. I don't think the coaches are preaching it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

1. Not going to check, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a correlation.

2. Per NBA.com's Team Tracking stats, the Jazz are 5th in drives per game, despite their relatively slow pace. Still, the Jazz are also 8th in FT/FGA.


We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. NBA officiating has gotten much better in recent years.

I just don't think we are rewarded for making basketball plays when other guys are living off of stuff that should be taught in drama classes not the gym. Our guys hardly ever complain and I don't think we are getting the benefit of the doubt. Clown show is strong language I guess, but I am an internet tough guy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gobert and Favors aren't taking charges. It be a good thing for Lyles yo learn though.

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[♪alt13]

I watch Hood and Burke in transition and they don't even try. I agree it is in part a product of our shot blocking, but in transition you might as well try. Hood would likely give up an and 1 anyway. I don't think the coaches are preaching it.

Burke drives me bananas. Dude gets out of the way every time. A guy his size can't play D without taking a charge here and there.

 

[Doublea]

Never been a fan of charges. They are dangerous plays all around.

 

[MT Steve]

Wes Matthews and CJ Miles taking charges single-handedly won the 2010 playoff series against Carmelo.

 

[fishonjazz]

I agree that the jazz need to take more charges and I'm also frustrated by the fact that they rarely do

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Never been a fan of charges. They are dangerous plays all around.

Until the league gets rid of them we should utilize them... It's more dangerous for the guy commiting the charge than taking it