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Would trading for Teague be skipping steps?

Skipping steps?

  • No, this is exactly what we need.

    Votes: 11 34.4%

  • Yes, Gotta keep the cake baking.

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Yes, if we gave to much up.

    Votes: 15 46.9%

  • No, we need to use these assets.

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Total voters
    32
So I haven't commented much in the Teague threads since I don't follow him much at all. In order to fit inside the "not skipping steps" box, I would be considering the following (in no particular order):
-How is his defense? Either decent, or teachable to become a decent defender.
-Who is the backup, Teaugue or Exum? If Exum needs to develop more to be better than Teague, it's not time to bring in his backup. If Exum is the backup, then there's no risk.
-Are we confident he stays or that we can flip him for a profit?
-How does he work with QS?
-Does he add to the good team chemistry that has been established.
-He's 6'2, this is a strike against him given the length advantage we have at nearly every position. Not a deal breaker, but needs to be made up for elsewhere.
 
vegas said:
So I haven't commented much in the Teague threads since I don't follow him much at all. In order to fit inside the "not skipping steps" box, I would be considering the following (in no particular order):
-How is his defense? Either decent, or teachable to become a decent defender.
-Who is the backup, Teaugue or Exum? If Exum needs to develop more to be better than Teague, it's not time to bring in his backup. If Exum is the backup, then there's no risk.
-Are we confident he stays or that we can flip him for a profit?
-How does he work with QS?
-Does he add to the good team chemistry that has been established.
-He's 6'2, this is a strike against him given the length advantage we have at nearly every position. Not a deal breaker, but needs to be made up for elsewhere.
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1. Teague's defense is nothing to write home about but it's hard to be much worse than Burke
2. This is the real interesting question. In terms of who would be a better basketball player at the time, it probably would be Teague. BUT we know how Quin likes to spread out his ball-handling scorers and if you look at our bench after a trade of Burke and Burks, let's just say it doesn't look too good. It'd be interesting to see but I would bet Exum starts and Teague fills Burke's role on the bench (with Neto being 3rd string). But, the Jazz haven't really had a PG of Teague's caliber so Quin may be forced to start him and get creative with subs. I do think you can play them together although I think Dante at the 2 really limits his ability
3. Him staying probably would come down to how much money we would be willing to fork up. The Summer he is up, Gordon has a player option and Rudy is up with Favors, Exum, and Hood the following season. Jazz won't be able to trade him for value unless somebody values a Teague rental.
4. He would be great is QS system and obviously has worked with him before
5. I bet he would do a lot more for the "chemistry" than Burke does
6. No PG we are playing right now is 6'2

Teague really excels at driving, and driving and kicking. His shooting is really good and he is a great distributor. He is a legitimate PG and really exactly what the Jazz are missing right now. Giving up a lot of assets (Burks, multiple picks) is the real question if the FO project him just as a year and a half rental.

He has his best game of the season the other night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkfolVP2aA&feature=youtu.be
 
It all depends on what they give up to get him and what his role is.

If they give up any of the top 7 players (Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum or Lyles) then it seems like a desperation "win now" kind of move, instead of adding a temporary piece to hold the fort until Exum gets healthy.

If they give up Burke and/or picks instead (considering what teams payed for PGs last deadline) and use the move to upgrade Trey Burke's spot on the roster. . . then it's a great move and perfectly aligned with what they need.

Teague/Neto is a fine PG combo to finished the year and then take next year to see what're plan is for next year. One other MAJOR reason to consider keeping Burks and adding Teague is that their salaries next year would combine to almost $20 million - nearly a MAX contract slot for trade purposes. Heading into Hayward's make or break year, if Teague plays well and Burks recovers and finishes strong this season. . . the Jazz would have two solid veterans, a bunch of assets and salaries to match a big move if they decide to make one. It's better to have options when trades are being made and keeping Burks keeps more options on the table.
 
I don't understand the skip steps thing. If you can skip steps you should skip the eff out of those steps. Now if you trip and fall on your *** that's another thing... so I think our motto should be skip the eff out of steps if you got long legs and good balance... lengthy but more accurate.
 
Too many contingencies to honestly and accurately vote. So, here's what I have to say:

The Jazz started their rebuild by fretting and dragging their feet. Because of this, the age and experience levels of their core are staggered, and because this year has mostly been a bust thus far, the Jazz have put themselves in a position where they would be wisest to EITHER be making win-now moves, or flipping their most valuable/expensive assets (Hayward, Favors) for other valuable but less expensive assets (picks, very promising 1st/2nd year players). Lowe hit the nail on the head.

I'm all about having a good basketball team again. As long as the Jazz aren't over-leveraging their ability to rebuild if it doesn't work out, then go for it. Right now, they have too many young players and picks to effectively develop, so if anything, this is the type of opportunity the Jazz have been waiting for.

I don't think it would take much. NY has nothing to offer, no one knows what Milwaukee is doing (and I'm not aware of them having tons of assets they'd want to part with, anyway), and Boston seem to have already invested a lot in guards and will probably low-ball. I don't think it would take much. Burke and Burks, late 1st, or bunch of 2nds should get it done.
 
My personal preference is for Burke, and a lottery-protected 1st, or Burke and a top-20 protected 1st and a 2nd. I think Burks is a very good player on a good contract and provides a style of play that no one else on the team brings. And if the salary picture gets dicey, you can probably dump him for a 1st anyway (and probably one better than the one the Jazz should send out). It's going to be a few seasons before the Jazz even sniff the LT, and that's if we're lucky.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Too many contingencies to honestly and accurately vote. So, here's what I have to say:

The Jazz started their rebuild by fretting and dragging their feet. Because of this, the age and experience levels of their core are staggered, and because this year has mostly been a bust thus far, the Jazz have put themselves in a position where they would be wisest to EITHER be making win-now moves, or flipping their most valuable/expensive assets (Hayward, Favors) for other valuable but less expensive assets (picks, very promising 1st/2nd year players). Lowe hit the nail on the head.

I'm all about having a good basketball team again. As long as the Jazz aren't over-leveraging their ability to rebuild if it doesn't work out, then go for it. Right now, they have too many young players and picks to effectively develop, so if anything, this is the type of opportunity the Jazz have been waiting for.

I don't think it would take much. NY has nothing to offer, no one knows what Milwaukee is doing (and I'm not aware of them having tons of assets they'd want to part with, anyway), and Boston seem to have already invested a lot in guards and will probably low-ball. I don't think it would take much. Burke and Burks, late 1st, or bunch of 2nds should get it done.
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You hit on something here I don't think people have been considering with regard to draft picks. We have young players at every position and have good veterans. We don't have the playing time or roster spots to handle all of these second rounders and maybe even the first rounders. We can get euro prospects to help us have a continued healthy flow of guys coming in but really we are either trying to stack all that **** up to trade for a superstar or use it to upgrade the roster. If Exum is better than Teague next year we have a good problem on our hands.

I'd go Burke and the GSW pick. Hold on to Burks because his value will go up by the summer if he is back and healthy. I think we eventually move burks and I think teams may offer up something good at either the draft or once they've missed out on FA targets.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You hit on something here I don't think people have been considering with regard to draft picks. We have young players at every position and have good veterans. We don't have the playing time or roster spots to handle all of these second rounders and maybe even the first rounders. We can get euro prospects to help us have a continued healthy flow of guys coming in but really we are either trying to stack all that **** up to trade for a superstar or use it to upgrade the roster. If Exum is better than Teague next year we have a good problem on our hands.

I'd go Burke and the GSW pick. Hold on to Burks because his value will go up by the summer if he is back and healthy. I think we eventually move burks and I think teams may offer up something good at either the draft or once they've missed out on FA targets.
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I like your understanding of things, but can you explain to me why Burke + pick(s) makes sense for ATL? Couldn't they just as easily get that or more this off-season? Also, doesn't it make more sense (from our chairs, at least) for ATL to hold it together in case they start clicking again near playoff time? You could argue that last year they simply peaked too early; and that they would have run through the East if their 'peak timing' were better. Maybe their timing is better this year?

The only way Burke + pick(s) makes sense to me, when I look at it from their perspective, is if Teague is becoming a true malcontent. And I don't see that from where I'm sitting. Could be true, though.
 
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