Trade Deadline

[Stifle Tower]

It's utterly excessive and ridiculous to trade for them. It's overkill. It would halt the progression of Neto, and don't see either being an upgrade to Burks. There is utterly no reason for the trade which is why I said kid in a candy store. It's trading just to make a trade.


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All teams need depth. Do you know Burks is coming back on the 18th? If not, we get a shooter who is 41% on his 3's. That's better than Johnson getting minutes at the 2,

Brooks is an immediate upgrade over Neto -or Green or Ingles when Burke or Neto are out.

Hindering Neto's development? Yep, it sure hurt John Stockton to come off the bench for most of three years. Besides, Neto is a backup. He's 3rd string on most contenders and I hope to hell that's the case by next season.

I'd rather have Teague or Hill. But if DL can't do that, there are some easy moves that would cost very little to upgrade a bit and add depth in case of injuries. Also show the fans AND, more importantly, the Jazz players that he wants to win.

 

[gregbroncs]

It would come down to Hayward vs Favors. Hayward is more durable, more reliable and more important.

Hayward and Hood shooting threes with Exum and Gobert running P&R is very dangerous. More dangerous than Favors and Gobert clogging the lane.

Hayward is neither more reliable or more important. Favors is the best player on this team. I'd be more inclined to trade Gobert, Exum, Hayward and anybody else on this team before Favors. And you still didn't answer the real question how does a SG force the PF/C out of the core?

 

[Jamezz]

Umm No.. The defense that Gobert/Favors give this team is far more important than any 3pt shooting that can come from anyone else. It's been proven time and time again that great teams have a great defense. Notice the teams record when Rudy or Favs were hurt. And then look up the record when Hayward was shooting terrible like at the beginning of the year. You trade Favors and we will be back to a lottery team. Have you noticed how much better the offense flows with him back in the lineup? If they decide to trade Favors, it's because they believe this group can't win one. And they have decided to blow it up and start over. As far as the PnR with Gobert... That can't happen until Gobert grows a pair of hands. The guy has terrible hands for a guy his size.

This, keeping Favors and Gobert is far more important than keeping Hood and Hayward if we were to choose.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Tbh, if Exum doesn't improve offensively, I think the choice comes down to Dante or Rudy. Jazz simply cannot become a top-5 team with two non-shooters. Gobert has hands of stone. But paired with Favors, Utah has an elite defense, notwithstanding the Q4 collapse against New Orleans.

But to make it work with those two, Utah needs three shooters on the floor. Hood is ideal. Hayward isn't a great 3PT shooter, but he's adequate in that area and has other skills. Utah doesn't need a play maker at PG; Hood and Hayward fulfill that role. Jazz need a 3&D guy. Exum has the D; will he ever have the 3?

 

[Greasy84]

Hindering Neto's development? Yep, it sure hurt John Stockton to come off the bench for most of three years.

Maybe it did. Stockton never really learned to shoot the 3 until AFTER he became a starter and his outside shooting was exposed.

I also think he lost a step by the time he hit 29 or 30. So, we only got to see 4-5 years of Stockton with his great quickness. I think it sucks that we lost out on those 3 years. I know Ricky Green was just coming off an all-star season, but, in retrospect, I think it was a mistake not to go with Stockton from the beginning.

 

[fishonjazz]

But to make it work with those two, Utah needs three shooters on the floor. Hood is ideal. Hayward isn't a great 3PT shooter, but he's adequate in that area and has other skills. Utah doesn't need a play maker at PG; Hood and Hayward fulfill that role. Jazz need a 3&D guy. Exum has the D; will he ever have the 3?

I like this paragraph. And honestly I don't even think our pg needs to be three and D.
I think rudy, favors, hayward, and hood are good enough defensively, and we have a good enough defensive philosophy and team defense that our pg doesn't even need to be all that good defensively.
I would just love to have a great three point shooting pg.

With favors and Rudy our defense will be good no matter what. So we need to think about how to get our offense to be better. Having hood, hayward, and a great three point shooting pg would go along way to get this team elite at both ends

 

[Gameface]

I like this paragraph. And honestly I don't even think our pg needs to be three and D.
I think rudy, favors, hayward, and hood are good enough defensively, and we have a good enough defensive philosophy and team defense that our pg doesn't even need to be all that good defensively.
I would just love to have a great three point shooting pg.

With favors and Rudy our defense will be good no matter what. So we need to think about how to get our offense to be better. Having hood, hayward, and a great three point shooting pg would go along way to get this team elite at both ends

We've been getting burned by the better PGs in the league all year. I thing a good defensive PG (Exum) is the key to making the defense legitimately elite.

 

[fishonjazz]

We've been getting burned by the better PGs in the league all year. I thing a good defensive PG (Exum) is the key to making the defense legitimately elite.

What is the defense ranked this year (without exum) when favors and Gobert are healthy?
I have no idea but I bet it's top 5 or so (wouldn't be surprised if it was even #1 or #2), which I consider to be elite.

I watch our offense struggle in almost every game. Seems like we have sub 20 point quarters every single game. I maintain that our defense will be good as long as we have favors and Gobert. Our offense needs to get allot better though.

Btw I'm not against getting a good defensive pg and not saying that pg defense doesn't matter at all... I just think a pg who is a threat offensively helps our team more than a pg who plays good defense.


I also really wish Snyder would try more zone defense, specifically a 3-2 zone.
Put three guys out by the three point line defensively and don't give up threes and force everyone into the paint where favors and Gobert await

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What is the defense ranked this year (without exum) when favors and Gobert are healthy?
I have no idea but I bet it's top 5 or so (wouldn't be surprised if it was even #1 or #2), which I consider to be elite.

I watch our offense struggle in almost every game. Seems like we have sub 20 point quarters every single game. I maintain that our defense will be good as long as we have favors and Gobert. Our offense needs to get allot better though.

Btw I'm not against getting a good defensive pg and not saying that pg defense doesn't matter at all... I just think a pg who is a threat offensively helps our team more than a pg who plays good defense.


I also really wish Snyder would try more zone defense, specifically a 3-2 zone.
Put three guys out by the three point line defensively and don't give up threes and force everyone into the paint where favors and Gobert await

Zone defenses almost never work in the NBA besides few possession stretches.

 

[silesian]

It's not 3 prolific scorers, it is 2. Kyrie is going to be relegated to the facilitator role of point guard. He's done that before. NBA he averages 20 points per game, but when playing on the US Olympic team he becomes a facilitator and his points per game drops to 12. From 20 to 12 when surrounded by other scorers. Same thing would happen if Melo goes to Cleveland. Melo's numbers won't drop, Kyrie's will. In fact, Melo's numbers will rise. First time in his NBA career he will be playing with an elite point guard.

Amazingly weak analogy and argument. USA team minutes are spread among superstars. And even so, Kyrie has the fourth most shots on the team and 3.6 apg Look at Magic Johnson's stats and you'll see what you are talking about (8ppg, 5.5 apg). You are really grasping, dude.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

All teams need depth. Do you know Burks is coming back on the 18th? If not, we get a shooter who is 41% on his 3's. That's better than Johnson getting minutes at the 2,

Brooks is an immediate upgrade over Neto -or Green or Ingles when Burke or Neto are out.

Hindering Neto's development? Yep, it sure hurt John Stockton to come off the bench for most of three years. Besides, Neto is a backup. He's 3rd string on most contenders and I hope to hell that's the case by next season.

I'd rather have Teague or Hill. But if DL can't do that, there are some easy moves that would cost very little to upgrade a bit and add depth in case of injuries. Also show the fans AND, more importantly, the Jazz players that he wants to win.

Both Neto and Burke have been fine shooting the ball. Does Neto even play with both those players coming in? Neto will be a great backup pg for years to come setting up the second unit with great passing and search dribbles, he'll I can see him becoming a nice start able pg if Exum busts.


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[green]

Hayward is neither more reliable or more important. Favors is the best player on this team. I'd be more inclined to trade Gobert, Exum, Hayward and anybody else on this team before Favors. And you still didn't answer the real question how does a SG force the PF/C out of the core?

Gobert and Exum aren't going anywhere.

You can only pay so many players, that's how a SG forces a PF/C out.