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What is Exum's value?

franklin said:
Do you have any stats to back this up? Point guards in the NBA have there way with every team these days. Dante gave up a lot of buckets to opposing point guards last year too.
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Nope. I'm not a believer in defensive stats. I base my statement on the performance of the team last year when he started as compared to this year and early last year when he didn't. Dante shut or slowed down some great PG's last year, including Tony Parker. I don't expect you to believe it, you are about stats, sometimes they just don't tell the story, especially defensively.
 
A Bleacher Report article last year showed his defensive rating to be #1 among all rookies including Wiggins and Smart
Top Rookie Defenders
DefRtg Opponent FG% Blocks Steals
Dante Exum 98.5 42.6% 0.2 0.5
Nerlens Noel 99.6 44.3% 1.9 1.8
Marcus Smart 103.2 45.3% 0.2 1.3
Elfrid Payton 105.1 46.6% 0.2 1.5
Andrew Wiggins 108.8 48.8% 0.6 1.1
 
franklin said:
The prosecution rests our case.
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JAZZGASM said:
A Bleacher Report article last year showed his defensive rating to be #1 among all rookies including Wiggins and Smart
Top Rookie Defenders
DefRtgOpponent FG%BlocksSteals
Dante Exum98.542.6%0.20.5
Nerlens Noel99.644.3%1.91.8
Marcus Smart103.245.3%0.21.3
Elfrid Payton105.146.6%0.21.5
Andrew Wiggins108.848.8%0.61.1
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franklin said:
The prosecution rests our case.
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It's called watching the games. In this case my opinion was based on the play of the team on defense when Exum was in the game.
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Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.
 
JAZZGASM said:
A Bleacher Report article last year showed his defensive rating to be #1 among all rookies including Wiggins and Smart
Top Rookie Defenders
DefRtgOpponent FG%BlocksSteals
Dante Exum98.542.6%0.20.5
Nerlens Noel99.644.3%1.91.8
Marcus Smart103.245.3%0.21.3
Elfrid Payton105.146.6%0.21.5
Andrew Wiggins108.848.8%0.61.1
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gregbroncs said:
Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.
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While I agree with you on Exum, your argument is problematic since Exum's data is mostly with Gobert starting and most of Burke's is with Kanter starting. This is why DRPM is nice, it corrects for these factors.
 
silesian said:
While I agree with you on Exum, your argument is problematic since Exum's data is mostly with Gobert starting and most of Burke's is with Kanter starting. This is why DRPM is nice, it corrects for these factors.
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This is why I find most defensive stats problematic, defense is a team stat. Frank wants to use on court off court stats but still most of Exum's minutes last year were played in the 2nd unit as he only started the last 30 or so games. This also doesn't completely explain the defense for this season not being what it was last season. I can see Exum stay in front of most PG's, I can see him bother Tony Parker and a lot of other PG's, I can see Burke struggle defensively with even back up PG's.
 
gregbroncs said:
It's called watching the games. In this case my opinion was based on the play of the team on defense when Exum was in the game.
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Here is a stat, with Exum as the starting PG last year the Jazz were far and away the best defensive team in the league. Without him starting they were one of the worst. Without Exum starting this year the Jazz are middle of the pack on defense.
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gregbroncs said:
This is why I find most defensive stats problematic, defense is a team stat. Frank wants to use on court off court stats but still most of Exum's minutes last year were played in the 2nd unit as he only started the last 30 or so games. This also doesn't completely explain the defense for this season not being what it was last season. I can see Exum stay in front of most PG's, I can see him bother Tony Parker and a lot of other PG's, I can see Burke struggle defensively with even back up PG's.
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So you believe in stats or you don't? I'm confused.
 
For those counting on Exum to be a quality starter next season, Iook at how Wesley Matthews has played thus far for Dallas. ACL injuries are tough to come back from.
 
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