Basis for Trump Appeal: Authoritarianism

[♪alt13]

I don't think so, we are not all the same. We all have different strengths, culture and heritage. We can all be exceptional in our own ways.

Exactly!

For instance, Americans are exceptional while Canadians are exceptional bitches.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

As you've mentioned Hitler first, you immediately loose the thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Oh jeez, another Godwin's Law Nazi.

 

[Stoked]

Exactly!

For instance, Americans are exceptional while Canadians are exceptional bitches.

Lmfao, oof

 

[Jamezz]

As you've mentioned Hitler first, you immediately loose the thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Thanks for this post. I'll be using this moving forward...

 

[♪alt13]

As you've mentioned Hitler first, you immediately loose the thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

1) Dal did not Franklin did

2) *lose

3) Are you part Canadian?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Now, Joe, imagine if a German politician emerged saying things like this:




Just like Germany needs to maintain its apologies for past transgressions, America must do the same. Not doing so might lend some credibility among the insecure hicks of America, but it will further damage international relationships with foreign nations worldwide.

You tell me which tradeoff is more significant. I simply cannot understand why you're so sensitive about Barack Obama admitting the transgressions of America. It really is rather bizarre.

I listed things other than authoritarianism that I believe Trump supporters are reacting positively to. Do you believe that Americans are likely to gravitate toward a candidate whose opinion is like yours, or who says things like Trump? You obviously don't believe it's justified, but in my opinion the vast majority of Americans love this country and do not believe we owe everyone an apology. You are obsessed with what you see as American transgressions. Most Americans who I know do not feel that way about this country at all.

 

[JimLes]

You are obsessed with what you see as American transgressions. Most Americans who I know do not feel that way about this country at all.

Again, exceptionalism, and again, that's what the problem is. You can't possibly believe that the USA does not owe an apology to the people of Iraq, to the people of Afghanistan, to the people of Libya, to the people of Syria. You can't say invading Iraq was a bad idea, then turn around and say you Iraqi people aren't owed an apology. Especially when at one point, more than 3 in 4 Americans support the invasion.

 

[Stoked]

Again, exceptionalism, and again, that's what the problem is. You can't possibly believe that the USA does not owe an apology to the people of Iraq, to the people of Afghanistan, to the people of Libya, to the people of Syria. You can't say invading Iraq was a bad idea, then turn around and say you Iraqi people aren't owed an apology. Especially when at one point, more than 3 in 4 Americans support the invasion.

Yes, no, "yes and yes along with everyone else". In the same order.

Making mistakes does not prevent exceptionalism. But I do think America needs to pull back to its formal allies and extend no further. After a few years a different tune will be sung.

 

[♪alt13]

Again, exceptionalism, and again, that's what the problem is. You can't possibly believe that the USA does not owe an apology to the people of Iraq, to the people of Afghanistan, to the people of Libya, to the people of Syria. You can't say invading Iraq was a bad idea, then turn around and say you Iraqi people aren't owed an apology. Especially when at one point, more than 3 in 4 Americans support the invasion.

American exceptionalism is what keeps Americans from truly exercising their power. American power is insane and that power is what leads to transgressions. If you remove American exceptionalism, the thing that compels America to try and behave morally/with principle, the world would be in serious trouble. American cynicism is probably what you should be worried about. When American leaders no longer have to come up with a moral justification and instead can claim national interest alone America will become a lot more aggressive.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I listed things other than authoritarianism that I believe Trump supporters are reacting positively to. Do you believe that Americans are likely to gravitate toward a candidate whose opinion is like yours, or who says things like Trump? You obviously don't believe it's justified, but in my opinion the vast majority of Americans love this country and do not believe we owe everyone an apology. You are obsessed with what you see as American transgressions. Most Americans who I know do not feel that way about this country at all.

You didn't answer my question-- would you feel comfortable with a German politician being held to the same requests of a nationalistic German populace?

 

[Deleted member 848]

JimLes is a Dalamon alt.

Still following me around eh?

Seeing as you're avoiding substantive conversation with me (yet again), let's hear some more complaints about how I'm chasing everyone away pls. Would make my week.

 

[Gameface]

You didn't answer my question-- would you feel comfortable with a German politician being held to the same requests of a nationalistic German populace?

I would. They've already acknowledged their transgressions. They lost a war, had their infrastructure decimated. They were a divided, conquered nation. If at this point they don't feel like apologizing I wouldn't hold it against them.