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Scientific paper says the human hand was designed by a 'Creator'!

....just posting a response to the question/issue at hand! Regardless of the source of this information, why concern yourself with the source and pay more attention to the content? If you disagree with the rebuttal or observations to the question or questions raised, I can live with that! The consequences of what we believe or support is something all of us must deal with.
Dude, I've explained this to you multiple times. Plagerizing is stealing. Not only is taking someone elses words and presenting them as your own completely dishonest and an unethical way to conduct a discussion, but it is an outright theft. Yet you ignore it, and you refuse to take the simple step of giving credit where credit is due. When you use someone else's words simply provide a link. What's so hard about that? And yet you do it again and again and again and again...
 
CJ in this thread has been engaging in the most blatant display of confirmation bias I've ever seen.
 
....here's something I recently read/learned that I'm going to pass on that may clear up a matter!

"God’s Law said that false prophets and idolaters should be put to death. (Deut. 13:5-9) These Baal priests were committed enemies of God, and they deliberately worked against his purposes. Did they deserve mercy? Well, what mercy had they ever granted to all those innocent children who were burned alive as sacrifices to Baal? (Proverbs 21:13) 13 Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one Will himself call and not be answered." (Jeremiah 19:4, 5) 5 They built the high places of Baʹal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to Baʹal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of and that had never even come into my heart.”’

"Those men were well beyond the reach of mercy! So Elijah ordered that they be executed, and executed they were.—1*Ki. 18:40.
Modern-day critics may decry the conclusion to this test on Mount Carmel. Some people may worry lest religious zealots use it to justify violent acts of religious intolerance. And sadly, there are many violent religious fanatics today. However, Elijah was no fanatic. He was acting on God's behalf in a just execution. Furthermore, genuine Christians know that they cannot follow Elijah’s course in taking a sword to the wicked. Rather, they follow the standard for all disciples of Jesus as found in Christ’s words to Peter: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matt. 26:52) God will use his Son to carry out divine justice in the future."

So the concerns of modern-day critics about Elijah’s execution of the Baal priests is unfounded! Even human governments and authorities today, don't tolerate child abuse of any kind and punish the abusers accordingly! So there's certainly no bigotry or racism here...just plain old justice!

All this clears up is that the God of the OT was a vengeful, murderous psychopath.

It also raises the question as to why, otherwise decent people, (maybe this includes you, but I'm not sure, as I tend to think bigotry and 'decent' are mutually exclusive, but humans are complex, so perhaps you're not a total douchebag in your non-virtual life)can rationalize away such brutal murderous acts commanded/committed by a 'loving heavenly father.'

BTW, just so you know, trying to convince me on any issue by citing the Bible will be about as effective as citing the Lord of the Rings. I don't find fiction, or in this case historical fiction, to be compelling rationale for settling disputes over things such as morals and public policy.
 
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....here's something I recently read/learned that I'm going to pass on that may clear up a matter!

"God’s Law said that false prophets and idolaters should be put to death. (Deut. 13:5-9) These Baal priests were committed enemies of God, and they deliberately worked against his purposes. Did they deserve mercy? Well, what mercy had they ever granted to all those innocent children who were burned alive as sacrifices to Baal? (Proverbs 21:13) 13 Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one Will himself call and not be answered." (Jeremiah 19:4, 5) 5 They built the high places of Baʹal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to Baʹal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of and that had never even come into my heart.”’

"Those men were well beyond the reach of mercy! So Elijah ordered that they be executed, and executed they were.—1*Ki. 18:40.
Modern-day critics may decry the conclusion to this test on Mount Carmel. Some people may worry lest religious zealots use it to justify violent acts of religious intolerance. And sadly, there are many violent religious fanatics today. However, Elijah was no fanatic. He was acting on God's behalf in a just execution. Furthermore, genuine Christians know that they cannot follow Elijah’s course in taking a sword to the wicked. Rather, they follow the standard for all disciples of Jesus as found in Christ’s words to Peter: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matt. 26:52) God will use his Son to carry out divine justice in the future."

So the concerns of modern-day critics about Elijah’s execution of the Baal priests is unfounded! Even human governments and authorities today, don't tolerate child abuse of any kind and punish the abusers accordingly! So there's certainly no bigotry or racism here...just plain old justice!

Other respondents in a discussion have the right to examine any source you quote. That's why it is important to provide citations for your quotes. If the second and third paragraphs above are located at an Internet link, simply provide that link. Other respondents may, or may not, wish to examine that source first hand. Were you to actually publish what you quote without providing any attribution, it's called intellectual property theft. Maybe not as serious a no-no on an Internet forum, I doubt the author will come calling for you, but cherry picking in service to confirmation bias is not a position of strength, usually. Bottom line, if I want to examine where you copied and pasted your quoted passages, I have to go digging for it. But, in a discussion, you are obligated to provide that citation for us. At the very least, you can copy and paste the link itself, the source, the citation, the original credit for the quotes. You are always fully entitled to your position, but people are going to keep pointing out plagiarism until you cease committing plagiarism. I should think, since it is so very easy to correct that shortcoming, that you would just do so. In the above instance, by providing quotation marks, you are at least broadcasting "hey guys, these are not my words". That's a start, but without a link, you are making it difficult for any other respondent to examine your source. And certainly there is nothing to fear in providing that link.
 
Other respondents in a discussion have the right to examine any source you quote. That's why it is important to provide citations for your quotes. If the second and third paragraphs above are located at an Internet link, simply provide that link. Other respondents may, or may not, wish to examine that source first hand. Were you to actually publish what you quote without providing any attribution, it's called intellectual property theft. Maybe not as serious a no-no on an Internet forum, I doubt the author will come calling for you, but cherry picking in service to confirmation bias is not a position of strength, usually. Bottom line, if I want to examine where you copied and pasted your quoted passages, I have to go digging for it. But, in a discussion, you are obligated to provide that citation for us. At the very least, you can copy and paste the link itself, the source, the citation, the original credit for the quotes. You are always fully entitled to your position, but people are going to keep pointing out plagiarism until you cease committing plagiarism. I should think, since it is so very easy to correct that shortcoming, that you would just do so. In the above instance, by providing quotation marks, you are at least broadcasting "hey guys, these are not my words". That's a start, but without a link, you are making it difficult for any other respondent to examine your source. And certainly there is nothing to fear in providing that link.

...I will do as you request, from now on! But it seems to me that many posters on this board consider the "source" rather than the "content" or reasoning of the arguments presented, thus closing there minds to both before allowing the information to sink in! For example, jimmyeatsjazz will not even CONSIDER any material from the Bible as being trustworthy or historic NO MATTER HOW reasonable or scientific it proves to be! Others have followed suit! Now, if they sight information whether it be there own thoughts or those of others, even so-called "experts" on the subject, I at least have the decency to read it and then make a sound rebuttal based on evidence, sound reasoning and factual documentation! I'm just saying.
 
CJ, please explain the qualities that make a thing "scientific"
 
CJ, please explain the qualities that make a thing "scientific"

Scientific - definition and synonyms

Relating to science, or based on its methods
Scientific research/Evidence/Procedures

A scientific Truth/Fact/Claim

According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, the definition of science is "knowledge attained through study or practice," or "knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, especially as obtained and tested through scientific method [and] concerned with the physical world."

The ​systematic ​study of the ​structure and ​behavior of the ​natural and ​physical ​world, or ​knowledge ​obtained about the ​world by ​watching it ​carefully and experimenting.

Awake 02 6/8 p. 4 How Did the Universe and Life Originate? “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”—Albert Einstein.

"Scientists’ theories often seem to rely on premises that require their own kind of faith. For example, when it comes to the origin of life, most evolutionists adhere to ideas that require faith in certain “doctrines.” Facts are mixed with theories. And when scientists use the weight of their authority to impose blind belief in evolution, they are in reality implying: ‘You are not responsible for your morality because you are merely the product of biology, chemistry, and physics.’

Biologist Richard Dawkins says that in the universe ‘there is no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but pointless indifference.’

To uphold such beliefs, some scientists choose to ignore the extensive research of other scientists who contradict the theoretical foundations for their theories on the origin of life.

Even if we allow for billions of years of time, the accidental forming of the complex molecules required to form a functional living cell has been shown to be a mathematical impossibility. Thus, the dogmatic theories on the origin of life that appear in many textbooks must be considered invalid."
 
There's no evolution here! Possibly a birth defect of some sort.

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