Global Warming could be worse than we thought-- paper from Science

[Siro]

Pretty big assumptions you are making.
Maybe your crystal could come in handy in jazz related things?

It is a projection based on what it is happening and what has already happened. It is not an assumption. Look where China was 30 years ago, and where they are now. Look where the West was 100 years ago, and where we are now.

I personally love the human species, and I don't mind seeing 10 or 15 billion of us populating the Earth. It would give us more reason to expand into space.

 

[Gameface]

Well, if there are too many humans on this planet maybe we should take the next evolutionary step and send some of them to other places?

And as far as global warming is concerned, I think we're past the point of no return. We're not going to solve it by going backwards, we're gonna have to deal with the fallout and figure out a proactive way to control it. Not by limiting our activity but by directly controlling the effect we have on the planet.

Anyone who thinks we're going to move around less, or produce less, or consume less can go pound sand because that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

 

[Siro]

Anyone who thinks we're going to move around less, or produce less, or consume less can go pound sand because that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

I'm with you, philosophically. But we can live smarter, nonetheless. For example, I use LED lighting in my place, and I drive a gas efficient vehicle. I recycle my ****, and I try to reduce my footprint. I am sure there is much more that I can do. And none of this has decreased my quality of life.

 

[Gameface]

I'm with you, philosophically. But we can live smarter, nonetheless. For example, I use LED lighting in my place, and I drive a gas efficient vehicle. I recycle my ****, and I try to reduce my footprint. I am sure there is much more that I can do. And none of this has decreased my quality of life.

Oh, I agree. I've changed out most of my CFL lights for LEDs, switched to a tankless water heater, etc. That's what I mean by being proactive and solving these issues by moving forwards not backwards. Many of the radical environmentalists have this idea that we're all gonna give up our modern lifestyle and live like cave people in order to save the planet. That's just not going to happen.

Global warming is happening. Even if we stopped producing CO2 there is a certain amount of " damage" (I should just say "climate change" instead of "damage" because I'm not sure that climate change is exactly equal to damage) already done.

 

[b_line]

I'm with you, philosophically. But we can live smarter, nonetheless. For example, I use LED lighting in my place, and I drive a gas efficient vehicle. I recycle my ****, and I try to reduce my footprint. I am sure there is much more that I can do. And none of this has decreased my quality of life.

Led bulbs and efficient heating and cooling have really helped.

We need to either make vehicles exponentially more efficient or make them easy to change to electric vehicles.

I love seeing technology change and improve. It's so amazing that just ten years ago people were so resistant to getting rid of their incandescent bulbs and now new construction and replacement bulbs are overwhelmingly led.

 

[b_line]

As a people we need to either protect ourselves from utility companies like rocky mountain power taxing green energy (solar tax) or we need to be sure that our utilities are on board with moving away from fossil fuels and are on board with upping efficiency grid wide.

 

[Boris]

very much a myth (both the populations contributing to GHGs, as well as overpopulation being the world's biggest issue-- at least IMO)

^ emissions of GHGs

^ countries by population density

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it's been long established that poorer countries contribute the least to GHG emissions and suffer the most from it.

I am a personal trainer not a climate scientist but I doubt this radical claim. Everything I have read says those countries affected are because of lacking in country pollution controls. I have read that USA suffers from China's nasty nitrogen dioxide pollution within 8 days. I know a little about combustion. High ND usually means low CO. It is usually a trade off. That is in developed nations where both are minimized through programs like car standards in USA. Without those there is no trade off just both spewing and spewing.

In essence, long established seems a wild claim. Something that belongs on the History Channel.

 

[Boris]

As a people we need to either protect ourselves from utility companies like rocky mountain power taxing green energy (solar tax) or we need to be sure that our utilities are on board with moving away from fossil fuels and are on board with upping efficiency grid wide.

My friend just purchased a $35,000 solar system. It will cost him only $20 per month above his previous utility bill for 12 years. It will cost less and less over the years.

 

[Boris]

I'm with you, philosophically. But we can live smarter, nonetheless. For example, I use LED lighting in my place, and I drive a gas efficient vehicle. I recycle my ****, and I try to reduce my footprint. I am sure there is much more that I can do. And none of this has decreased my quality of life.

[MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION] You purchased a Lexus not a gas efficient vehicle. Please stop preaching innocence and virtue from your high horse.

What [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] said was true you prove it.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

It is a projection based on what it is happening and what has already happened. It is not an assumption. Look where China was 30 years ago, and where they are now. Look where the West was 100 years ago, and where we are now.

I personally love the human species, and I don't mind seeing 10 or 15 billion of us populating the Earth. It would give us more reason to expand into space.

Well, if there are too many humans on this planet maybe we should take the next evolutionary step and send some of them to other places?

And as far as global warming is concerned, I think we're past the point of no return. We're not going to solve it by going backwards, we're gonna have to deal with the fallout and figure out a proactive way to control it. Not by limiting our activity but by directly controlling the effect we have on the planet.

Anyone who thinks we're going to move around less, or produce less, or consume less can go pound sand because that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works.

^Two great posts right there. I'm for making the most of the reality that we have.

 

[Siro]

[MENTION=40]Siro[/MENTION] You purchased a Lexus not a gas efficient vehicle. Please stop preaching innocence and virtue from your high horse.

What does the brand matter? I purchased a hybrid vehicle that gives me over 40 mpg. How is that not efficient?

 

[b_line]

I drive a vw diesel that is poisoning all of us. I bought it because I was lied to and told it was meeting emission standards and I love the fuel efficiency. It is also a ton of fun to drive.

Screw volkswagen.