Global Warming could be worse than we thought-- paper from Science

[fishonjazz]

CL said it was the most pressing issue of our time. I was responding to that. Having to deal with such crowds is an annoyance, but it is not an existential issue at all, let alone our most pressing one.

As for me, I love large cities, and I would love to live in one. Having to deal with that many people is a downside, but there are also so many upsides to living in a large city. You don't have to feel the same way. But this is a matter of preference. I would rather discuss the issue from a more objective angle.

Good response

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Having a yard is good. Being able to travel 20 miles in less than an hour is good.

Some people are willing to give up a yard and the lack of traffic for other things. Also, I'm certain the train pictures you pointed out are not the normal commute. Something else is going on, probably a big celebration. Look at the people. They are not miserable like you are saying they are. They look very happy.

I haven't been to Pakistan but I have been in very impoverished neighborhoods in places like Mexico, Indonesia and Kenya. I think it would surprise you to discover that in general the resident's attitudes are much different than your impressions of what they would be.

I once met a guy who grew up in India in a cardboard box with a tin roof. He is now a multi-millionaire. He is proof to me that the unrealized potential in those environments is staggering. The only reasonable solution is education. It will bring the standard of living up and push the birth rate down.

 

[Deleted member 848]

very much a myth (both the populations contributing to GHGs, as well as overpopulation being the world's biggest issue-- at least IMO)

^ emissions of GHGs per capita

^ countries by population density

Emissions of CO2 total (not per capita)

Included a couple more for you Joe.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The political left is invested in the case that global warming is the largest problem humanity is facing, that it is caused almost entirely by first world countries, and that it can be solved by imposing huge taxes on polluters. I don't believe that any of those three statements are correct.

- it is the largest problem humanity is facing-- I'd love to hear of a bigger one.
- I don't think people argue that it is caused exclusively by first world countries-- however the problem is that those who feel the brunt of climate change the most are those that have produced some of the lowest GHG emissions. Also, if we are taking grand totals in terms of all-time production, then yes the developed world has produced the most.
- to pool together all of the proposed solutions in the fight against climate change as "taxes on polluters" is inaccurate and damaging.

 

[Carbon13]

Some people are willing to give up a yard and the lack of traffic for other things. Also, I'm certain the train pictures you pointed out are not the normal commute. Something else is going on, probably a big celebration. Look at the people. They are not miserable like you are saying they are. They look very happy.

I haven't been to Pakistan but I have been in very impoverished neighborhoods in places like Mexico, Indonesia and Kenya. I think it would surprise you to discover that in general the resident's attitudes are much different than your impressions of what they would be.

I once met a guy who grew up in India in a cardboard box with a tin roof. He is now a multi-millionaire. He is proof to me that the unrealized potential in those environments is staggering. The only reasonable solution is education. It will bring the standard of living up and push the birth rate down.

Oil companies actually prefer the carbon tax as well. The thinking goes that if carbon credits were to become tradable assets, then really smart people would find ways to find arbitrage in that market place.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Oil companies actually prefer the carbon tax as well. The thinking goes that if carbon credits were to become tradable assets, then really smart people would find ways to find arbitrage in that market place.

I'm not sure how this relates to my post that you quoted, but I agree that people ultimately hurt by carbon taxes are the end consumers.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

- it is the largest problem humanity is facing-- I'd love to hear of a bigger one.
- I don't think people argue that it is caused exclusively by first world countries-- however the problem is that those who feel the brunt of climate change the most are those that have produced some of the lowest GHG emissions. Also, if we are taking grand totals in terms of all-time production, then yes the developed world has produced the most.
- to pool together all of the proposed solutions in the fight against climate change as "taxes on polluters" is inaccurate and damaging.

If global warming really was our biggest problem we would solve it. Scientists have proposed ways to cool the planet that we would implement if it was a matter of life and death. It's not. Global warming is more valuable to the left as a political chip. It is being used to generate enormous tax revenue. It is being used to centralize government. It is being used to increase the size of government. It is being used to transfer power to left leaning political organizations. From their perspective the boogie man of global warming is an absolute godsend. Have you seen the photos of Al Gore's huge "solar powered" houseboat plugged into the dock? Have you seen the amount of CO2 generated by climate conferences? If this stuff really mattered so much to them they would lead by example.

Our inability to get along with our fellow humans is a bigger problem than global warming. Education is a bigger problem. Poverty is a bigger problem. There are lots of bigger problems. The left wants you to believe that these problems are the result of global warming. They're not.

I'm not sure why you say that third world countries feel the brunt of global warming. What I do know is that they have changed the terminology to climate change because the models have never produced the predicted results. You posted an article to begin this thread that said the effects were being underestimated, but if you go back 20 years and look at the predictions you will discover that those were vast overestimates. I will predict one thing for you. The left will continue to embrace the most extreme predictions and tell us that our world is in danger if we don't immediately implement their fixes. They will continue to leave out the fact that no scientific papers indicate that we could make an appreciable difference in global warming by implementing the policies they suggest. I am all for living as green as practical, but not in favor of punishing our citizens and economy for non-compliance.

I'm sure that the reason you think it's inaccurate and damaging to pool the solutions together as "taxes on polluters" is that you and I see this issue completely differently. If the leaders of the global warming movement start taking personal actions to reduce greenhouse gasses (rather than simply telling other people to do it) then I will start listening. Until then I will stand in awe of their hypocrisy as these elites jet in to their next annual global warming conference.

 

[slc]

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Those pictures don't give me a good, positive feeling. Quite frankly they give a very sick negative feeling and make me want to puke[/QUOTE]

What's the problem with the trains?
This looks like they are saving energy by using one train instead of four.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

What's the problem with the trains?
This looks like they are saving energy by using one train instead of four.

ROTFLMAO, repped!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Included a couple more for you Joe.

Thanks. Pretty much illustrates what I said. Also, notice that the numbers are a bit dated. I'll bet that if we had accurate numbers today we would see that the Chinese share is rapidly increasing. The one big takeaway is that Canadians are the biggest per capita polluters in the world. Who woulda known? You guys suck.

 

[Boris]

Having a yard is good. Being able to travel 20 miles in less than an hour is good.

You are posting a selfish perspective. Would rep if I could.

 

[RJF]

Thanks. Pretty much illustrates what I said. Also, notice that the numbers are a bit dated. I'll bet that if we had accurate numbers today we would see that the Chinese share is rapidly increasing. The one big takeaway is that Canadians are the biggest per capita polluters in the world. Who woulda known? You guys suck.

South Park knows it!