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The Legacy of the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

First OJ then Kobe. I am sick of star treatment by are justice system. She had sex and tried to commit suicide so she can't get taped?
 
This is what Kobe said. It is an admission that he raped her.

Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.
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ncoloradojazz said recently that he's from Colorado and around there everyone knows the victim was some sort of no-good "woman of the night." He pointed out that charges were dropped and that we all just needed to respect Kobe and let it go.

**** that! Read the quote from Kobe. He admits to rape.
 
Boris said:
That is standard NBA or speak. I buy nothing into the rapists press release word speak
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Saying that you were convinced by the victim's statement that what they experienced was rape is NOT standard anything speak. That's saying that you went into a situation feeling entitled to use another person's body for your own sexual satisfaction regardless of that person's consent and to you that's not rape, but after hearing how the other person felt about being violated you can see why what happened to them was rape. But the SOB is so delusional he just chalks that up to a difference of opinion.

Let's just say that if the rapist agrees that the victim didn't consent, well, there's only one thing you can call that. It's called rape. That's what Kobe admitted to and why I have always responded to disgusting victim blaming by pointing out that my opinion was formed by what Kobe said. Not just the quote above, but by Kobe's graphic description of the sexual encounter as well.

Kobe is a rapist and should have been in prison.
 
Gameface said:
Saying that you were convinced by the victim's statement that what they experienced was rape is NOT standard anything speak. That's saying that you went into a situation feeling entitled to use another person's body for your own sexual satisfaction regardless of that person's consent and to you that's not rape, but after hearing how the other person felt about being violated you can see why what happened to them was rape. But the SOB is so delusional he just chalks that up to a difference of opinion.

Let's just say that if the rapist agrees that the victim didn't consent, well, there's only one thing you can call that. It's called rape. That's what Kobe admitted to and why I have always responded to disgusting victim blaming by pointing out that my opinion was formed by what Kobe said. Not just the quote above, but by Kobe's graphic description of the sexual encounter as well.

Kobe is a rapist and should have been in prison.
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You do not get it. Kobe Bryant is a famous gazillionaire. He has lawyers and a whole staff of PR people who told him what to say. You can believe he was being genuine but I do not. This does not change the facts that he raped that girl.
 
GVC said:
I don't see that at all. He clearly states that he believes it was consensual.
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But SHE didn't believe it. That's the point of rape. If someone isn't giving enthusiastic consent, it is rape. It doesn't matter if he feels entitled or doesn't believe that someone would actually mean NO.

I believed at the time that she may have initially consented, but she did not realize the violence that was going to be involved. And then he wouldn't stop. And that is rape.

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JazzGal said:
But SHE didn't believe it. That's the point of rape. If someone isn't giving enthusiastic consent, it is rape.
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Define 'enthusiastic'. Also, keep in mind, the discussion about consent was a hell of a lot different in 2003 than it is now.
 
You can't tell? That's frightening.

Actively participating of her own choice.

And I get that sometimes there may be less active participation by a woman in a long term relationship who is just trying to make her partner happy. Yes and No are the clues there.

I realize that guys like sleeping with drunk girls because consent is easier to get. But if she is too drunk to participate and say Yes, then it is rape.

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JazzGal said:
Actively participating of her own choice.
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That's still incredibly imprecise. Does consent end at the moment an individual stops actively participating? Is that always entirely clear in the heat of the moment? How much time does the offender have to recognize that there is no longer consent? Does the difference in public discourse about rape -- then v. now -- play no role?

JazzGal said:
You can't tell? That's frightening.
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You can go **** yourself. I'm not saying Kobe was/is innocent. I just don't think what he said constitutes a confession. At the very least, more details about the case are needed to reach that conclusion.
 
He said that he now knows that to her it wasn't consensual. Non-consensual sex is, by definition, rape. He admitted that when he listened to the evidence and listened to what she said that he understood that she hadn't consented. So, he was convinced by the evidence that the sex wasn't consensual.

If I close my eyes and start swinging my fists it's still called assault when I hit someone. Kobe didn't seek consent, he just took sex. Just because he didn't know and didn't care if she consented doesn't absolve him of the fact, that he admitted, that she did not consent.
 
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