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Anyone else think we should've kept Millsap?

I hated to lose him but at the same time proud of everything he has accomplished since I know that it all started here where he developed his skills. And he would probably still be overlooked in the western conference in east he's 3x all star and on a team that does pretty well every year. So it worked out well for him.
 
The main point about Millsap is what GVC brought up at first. If Exum, Hood and the future pick turn out to be better than millsap, the jazz made the right move. It sucks that they didn't have a guy that pretty much embodies jazz basketball, but they weren't going anywhere great with that situation the team was in.

There could possibly have been other moves to get the same outcome, less the pick that became dante Exum. But this is the route the jazz took.

By the way, absolutely no one is sad about letting Jefferson walk and trading Williams.
 
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b_line said:
Questioning his development is one thing, but you are buying into a lie of you think he lacked something his last year in utah. His numbers were virtually the same. He wasn't in decline at all.
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First, I love Millsap and he was great even in his down year.

But numbers virtually the same in his last year at Utah? You've got to be kidding. How about down across the board. Rebounds down 13% from 9.7 to 8.4. Points down 11% (16.6 to 14.6).

If you like advanced stats, BPM down from 5.0 to 3.8. WS/48 down 14% from 0.179 to 0.154.

Turnovers up, steals down. Only improvement was in blocks.

Over the course of a season these are statistically significant drops. And all these reinforce my "eye test" on him for the year.


Even if you love Millsap like I do, you need to take off the rose colored glasses and see reality.
 
silesian said:
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First, I love Millsap and he was great even in his down year.

But numbers virtually the same in his last year at Utah? You've got to be kidding. How about down across the board. Rebounds down 13% from 9.7 to 8.4. Points down 11% (16.6 to 14.6).

If you like advanced stats, BPM down from 5.0 to 3.8. WS/48 down 14% from 0.179 to 0.154.

Turnovers up, steals down. Only improvement was in blocks.

Over the course of a season these are statistically significant drops. And all these reinforce my "eye test" on him for the year.


Even if you love Millsap like I do, you need to take off the rose colored glasses and see reality.
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So you're going to punish him for his coach playing derrick favors and Kanter more? Look at his per 36 numbers. Points down 5%, rebounds down, blocks and assists up. Fg% down 0.05 %

All this and he was playing with one if jefferson, favors or Kanter all the time.

But sure, let's ignore that he played less minutes per game. And was still efficient. He isn't karl malone, but he has always been better than all the big men we have had since boozer.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
LOL. No.
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Good Lord what does Sap have to do to earn a little Jazz fan love? The guy has been a top defender for two years in a row. You going to give Draymond the edge because he is on the 2nd best team in NBA history with a player who arguably just had the very best season of all time? Put Sap on that team and all his numbers go up.

Draymond's assist are insane tho, I give him that. But I don't know how else you say an 18.8/10/3.6/2.0/1.9 per 36 and .556 ts% is worse than 14.5/9.9/7.7/1.5/1.4 per 36 and a ts% of .587.

Sap is the hub of a middle of the road offense. Draymond benefits from possibly the best offenses the planet has ever seen.

LOL. No deserves a proper bitch Sap.
 
b_line said:
So you're going to punish him for his coach playing derrick favors and Kanter more? Look at his per 36 numbers. Points down 5%, rebounds down, blocks and assists up. Fg% down 0.05 %

All this and he was playing with one if jefferson, favors or Kanter all the time.

But sure, let's ignore that he played less minutes per game. And was still efficient. He isn't karl malone, but he has always been better than all the big men we have had since boozer.
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First, I love Millsap and am not punishing him. I am commenting on year over year performance, which was clearly down.

I gave you total statistics, per 48 minutes statistics and per 100 possession statistics. All are valid for comparison purposes. If you chose to ignore the totals and only look at per 36 numbers, your analysis may not be complete.
 
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