A win for the Central Bank and it's puppet Obama

[babe]

socially liberal is the phrase you are looking for

hmmmm. . . . yah.

liberal in the classical sense, like some of those home-educated snuff-sniffing elites we call our founding fathers, or class among the group of our founding fathers.

Ambrose Bierce, an avowed socialist who went to Mexico to help with the revolution there, and got himself killed as a meddlesome busybody, believed that way, I think. As a humorist, I find his quips irresistible. However, I also find his lack of actual religious comprehension disquieting, notwithstanding his modern scientific sort of thinking.

I don't think the British school of political classification does justice to Americans, really. It is the system we use rhetorically today, which many Americans find to be such nonsense they will have nothing to do with it, preferring instead to be populists, agrarians, rednecks, or hillbillies and such. But believing you actually have rights does come across, in that rhetoric, as illiberal.

 

[♪alt13]

hmmmm. . . . yah.

liberal in the classical sense, like some of those home-educated snuff-sniffing elites we call our founding fathers, or class among the group of our founding fathers.

Ambrose Bierce, an avowed socialist who went to Mexico to help with the revolution there, and got himself killed as a meddlesome busybody, believed that way, I think. As a humorist, I find his quips irresistible. However, I also find his lack of actual religious comprehension disquieting, notwithstanding his modern scientific sort of thinking.

I don't think the British school of political classification does justice to Americans, really. It is the system we use rhetorically today, which many Americans find to be such nonsense they will have nothing to do with it, preferring instead to be populists, agrarians, rednecks, or hillbillies and such. But believing you actually have rights does come across, in that rhetoric, as illiberal.

There is a giant problem with definitions in politics. I think that for the average person on the left when they do define themselves as liberal they mean in a social sense. They believe in civil rights and see social conservatives as a statist threat to them. People end up talking past each other because while they are using the same words they mean very different things when they say them.

 

[babe]

There is a giant problem with definitions in politics. I think that for the average person on the left when they do define themselves as liberal they mean in a social sense. They believe in civil rights and see social conservatives as a statist threat to them. People end up talking past each other because while they are using the same words they mean very different things when they say them.

Perhaps the best way to understand it.

 

[franklin]

Franklin has lost his good sense somewhere with his fascination in the marvels of fiat currency. Pretty soon we'll have negative interest rates, and cash will be outlawed. We gotta go digital on all accounts. You'll have to spend whatever digital credits you have if you don't want to pay a fee for possessing them. And gold, silver will go down to values that reflect the cost of production in third-world countries where they pay slave wages to drivers of big equipment, and pay the equivalent of $0.50 a gallon for diesel fuel. lessee, that'll be about six dollars an ounce for silver, and $400 dollars an ounce for gold. Fiat currency isn't gonna fix the worldwide cyclical economic downturn that will take a California house down 70% in it's value, and the only way our banks will stay afloat is by our Congress and President enabling them to "nationalize" our savings and retirement funds.

Babe, can you explain what exactly is wrong with any of this? I <3 to make folks like you who worship currency out to be the commies you truly are . I will give you a hint at this: gold bugs and anti-inflation wackos tend to be the anarchistic type who hate gub'mint yet worship and demand a gub'mint store of wealth. Do you see it, commie?

P.S. The Federal Reserve system is by far the greatest invention of democracy. Nothing comes close to supporting the creation of wealth that the fed has. #Bernanke4Prez2016

 

[babe]

Babe, can you explain what exactly is wrong with any of this? I <3 to make folks like you who worship currency out to be the commies you truly are . I will give you a hint at this: gold bugs and anti-inflation wackos tend to be the anarchistic type who hate gub'mint yet worship and demand a gub'mint store of wealth. Do you see it, commie?

P.S. The Federal Reserve system is by far the greatest invention of democracy. Nothing comes close to supporting the creation of wealth that the fed has. #Bernanke4Prez2016

I take "commie", as in "communist", to require some reference to the economics of Karl Marx as laid down in Das Kapital, with the attendant specified social transformations and the great final collapse of statism, once the upper classs have been reduced to eating turnips and cabbage just like the serfs.

how do you imagine this relates to worship of gold or any other commonly understood store of undeployed wages or production?

I recognize that Karl Marx was an imaginative liar, or a severely retard delusional maniac of some kind, if he actually believed what he wrote, but most likely the only rational explanation for his place in history is that he was a useful idiot convenient to the British peerage as a deterrent to the spread of American visions of human rights.

the Brits, a small nation whose principal power came from seafaring commerce and colonial possessions useful to that commerce, have sometimes used a divide and conquer strategy, setting locals against one another somehow, a strategy often used by communist insurgents as well, and political sociopaths like Bill and Hillary Clinton, who owe their success and future to their skill at inciting morons like Perot and Trump to split their opponents.

I think it is reasonable to understand both world wars as British in origin, for the purpose of preventing an overland trade route like the Silk Road or the favorable relations across central Europe and Asia as competitors to their Hong Kong/Singapore/Capetown and Suez traffic.

A British-controlled central bank of the United States is one of the pillars of the evil empire. Please tell me how Goldman-Sachs gets their people seated at the Fed, and how the Fed officials have any interest in you or me, and I'll consider your opinion somewhat.

But as it stands, the Fed owes much of its success indirectly to Brigham Young, who essentially did what you imagine the Fed has invented, in issuing tithing office scrip to needy and unemployed Saints, and found that they went out an bought goods and services which made many tithepayers quite satisfied. The tithing scrip came home to the tithing office together will multiples of tithes. Walmart today recognizes the benefits of such "deficit spending", I'm sure.

It was a Utah banker, Eccles, who was chosen as chief of the Fed in the 1930s who brought the Brigham Young concept to the Fed. #BrighamYoung$100Bill.

 

[franklin]

how do you imagine this relates to worship of gold or any other commonly understood store of undeployed wages or production?

LOL, commie. Commie understood store of undeployed wealth?

I take "commie", as in "communist", to require some reference to the economics of Karl Marx as laid down in Das Kapital, with the attendant specified social transformations and the great final collapse of statism, once the upper classs have been reduced to eating turnips and cabbage just like the serfs.

how do you imagine this relates to worship of gold or any other commonly understood store of undeployed wages or production?

I recognize that Karl Marx was an imaginative liar, or a severely retard delusional maniac of some kind, if he actually believed what he wrote, but most likely the only rational explanation for his place in history is that he was a useful idiot convenient to the British peerage as a deterrent to the spread of American visions of human rights.

the Brits, a small nation whose principal power came from seafaring commerce and colonial possessions useful to that commerce, have sometimes used a divide and conquer strategy, setting locals against one another somehow, a strategy often used by communist insurgents as well, and political sociopaths like Bill and Hillary Clinton, who owe their success and future to their skill at inciting morons like Perot and Trump to split their opponents.

I think it is reasonable to understand both world wars as British in origin, for the purpose of preventing an overland trade route like the Silk Road or the favorable relations across central Europe and Asia as competitors to their Hong Kong/Singapore/Capetown and Suez traffic.

A British-controlled central bank of the United States is one of the pillars of the evil empire. Please tell me how Goldman-Sachs gets their people seated at the Fed, and how the Fed officials have any interest in you or me, and I'll consider your opinion somewhat.

But as it stands, the Fed owes much of its success indirectly to Brigham Young, who essentially did what you imagine the Fed has invented, in issuing tithing office scrip to needy and unemployed Saints, and found that they went out an bought goods and services which made many tithepayers quite satisfied. The tithing scrip came home to the tithing office together will multiples of tithes. Walmart today recognizes the benefits of such "deficit spending", I'm sure.

It was a Utah banker, Eccles, who was chosen as chief of the Fed in the 1930s who brought the Brigham Young concept to the Fed. #BrighamYoung$100Bill.

I made it to the end and your two paragraphs were icing on the cake for me. You are incorrect, however. Joseph Smith was the originator of LDS calling for a federal reserve system. Don't tell [MENTION=643]Jazz Spazz[/MENTION] or the LDS birchers, it'll kill em.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

LOL, commie. Commie understood store of undeployed wealth?




I made it to the end and your two paragraphs were icing on the cake for me. You are incorrect, however. Joseph Smith was the originator of LDS calling for a federal reserve system. Don't tell [MENTION=643]Jazz Spazz[/MENTION] or the LDS birchers, it'll kill em.

Lol... funny how we remember our conversation differently.

I remember having someone laying it on heavy about the conspiracy behind the federal reserve and centralized banking, so I decided to ask you about your thoughts on the subject.
I don't remember stating I was convinced of either view.

It's cool though. Maybe I gave you that impression somehow.

FYI, I'm still undecided. I think it's somewhere in the middle tbh. I also think I'm only hearing partial information from both sides of the fence, and each side only shares what makes their view sound solid. It's natural, so I don't really fault anyone for sharing what they feel is most important or relevant.

 

[babe]

LOL, commie. Commie understood store of undeployed wealth?




I made it to the end and your two paragraphs were icing on the cake for me. You are incorrect, however. Joseph Smith was the originator of LDS calling for a federal reserve system. Don't tell [MENTION=643]Jazz Spazz[/MENTION] or the LDS birchers, it'll kill em.

I thought I responded to this, with a load about the origins of Mormonism, to show that Joseph Smith was not the commie, but Sydney Rigdon was. Joe was the treasure digger, Rigdon the theologian, at least in the anti-Mo lore that first came out in the 1830s.

Colton might not like discussion of such things, even in my usual smug pseudo-humor, which usually goes to the point that by the time you know it all you're a jaded old fart nobody wants to listen to.

Christian communism sometimes seen in a few vague scriptural references was fundamentally different from statism because it was hoped that worldly governments would not last into the final nirvana of humanity, a dream borrowed by Karl Marx as well, but which will never be permitted by the progressive globalists I term fascists rather than communists.

 

[babe]

Babe, can you explain what exactly is wrong with any of this? I <3 to make folks like you who worship currency out to be the commies you truly are . I will give you a hint at this: gold bugs and anti-inflation wackos tend to be the anarchistic type who hate gub'mint yet worship and demand a gub'mint store of wealth. Do you see it, commie?

P.S. The Federal Reserve system is by far the greatest invention of democracy. Nothing comes close to supporting the creation of wealth that the fed has. #Bernanke4Prez2016

first of all, if the guvmint has gold in a vault, that's not mine. The gold in my pocket is mine, and I make every decision that relevant to it's value. If I trade a gold coin for a roll of toilet paper, that's my business, and it's none of the guvmint's business.

It is essentially the same private decision when you consider a roll of toilet paper, even if it's printed green and has dozens of security codes embedded along with a chip that is directly monitored by the guvmint constantly, to be "money". you trade it for something you need more.

Gold is the ultimate un-guvmint form of money, and has historically been pretty negotiable.

"anti-inflation wackos" is an interesting slur. Inflation is a form of theft which targets old folks living off reverse-mortgage payments or other fixed retirement plans like social security. As long as you are working, you can go beg for a raise, every hour on the hour, if inflation is really great.

 

[Scat]

Yeah, and it's pretty obvious which one that is. I mean, I know you're not so stupid as to be unaware of the connotations of Aunt Jemima character.

Made me crave pancakes.

 

[franklin]

first of all, if the guvmint has gold in a vault, that's not mine. The gold in my pocket is mine, and I make every decision that relevant to it's value. If I trade a gold coin for a roll of toilet paper, that's my business, and it's none of the guvmint's business.

Most of us don't want to live in the stone ages of barter, including all of the founding fathers. That's why they granted powers over currency in the US Constitution. You want to barter? You are free to do so.

Our monetary system has made us the most powerful entity in the history of mankind.

^greatest American alive today

 

[babe]

Most of us don't want to live in the stone ages of barter, including all of the founding fathers. That's why they granted powers over currency in the US Constitution. You want to barter? You are free to do so.

Our monetary system has made us the most powerful entity in the history of mankind.

^greatest American alive today

nah, just the most useful tool/colonial possession of the fascists.