Anyone for Cousins?

[Thee Jazz Fan]

So as i understand it you think poor little DeMarcus Cousins is the victim in all the instability in Sacramento over that whole time, and it's not really his responsibility for having the on court demeanour of a sour lemon every time i've ever seen him play. Over his years in the league he's been a shining light left to rot by years of neglect and it's just coincidence that he's the common ingredient of all those stinking teams ?

Is Cousins immature? Yes. Is it magnified by being on the worst run org in all of pro sports, and not just the NBA? Yes.

Here's another fact. He, according to dr Jones was a great teammate at Kentucky. I'd bitch too if I had to spend my best years on that Sac team. Hell, he doesn't even have teammates conducive to winning. He's in a black hole with no team ball and some pretty bad coaches. Hell, the only good coach they've had since he's been there was Malone, and he got canned after one year. Hell, I would give Favors and Hayward and whatever draft picks they want for him, and we'd be instantly better, along with Cousins changing his act.

I hate everything about that franchise. It's where players, and coaches go to whither and die. I've wanted Cousins out of there for a while. Either with us or somewhere in the east.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

People change.

He was also only at UK for half a year. Then he was off training for the NBA.. SO he kept his nose clean for a few months. I don't recall him being a problem at SAC his first couple months.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

You lose your argument when you say Malone was his best coach. George Karl is a HOF caliber coach.. Can not even believe someone would say Malone was better then Karl. Shows you have zero bball iq so therefore no one can take your post serious.

Is Cousins immature? Yes. Is it magnified by being on the worst run org in all of pro sports, and not just the NBA? Yes.

Here's another fact. He, according to dr Jones was a great teammate at Kentucky. I'd bitch too if I had to spend my best years on that Sac team. Hell, he doesn't even have teammates conducive to winning. He's in a black hole with no team ball and some pretty bad coaches. Hell, the only good coach they've had since he's been there was Malone, and he got canned after one year. Hell, I would give Favors and Hayward and whatever draft picks they want for him, and we'd be instantly better, along with Cousins changing his act.

I hate everything about that franchise. It's where players, and coaches go to whither and die. I've wanted Cousins out of there for a while. Either with us or somewhere in the east.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Cousins would never want to live in Utah.. It is not his kind of place. a lot of dreamers out here in fantasy world.. Cousins would be so bored in Utah that he would become a problem, do not kid yourselves.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Cousins would never want to live in Utah.. It is not his kind of place. a lot of dreamers out here in fantasy world.. Cousins would be so bored in Utah that he would become a problem, do not kid yourselves.

Cousins deserves some of his bad rap.. but this part is patently false.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

He is a top 5 player talent wise, in the NBA. Tempting. Big time. Could you convince him to play hard here? I dunno. But you have to look into it. If someone can figure this kid out, they will have one of the best players in the league.

Reminds me of the song lyrics from the play Guys and Dolls, when the women are talking about their bad boy boyfriends, "marry the man today, change his ways tomorrow."

It doesn't work in personal relationships, and it doesn't work in sports. Cousins is who he is. I, for one, don't want this man child to put a stranglehold on this franchise like he has done in Sacramento.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think the argument is whether Malone is a better coach than Karl. The argument is that Malone got along very well with Cousins and Karl did not. And, in fact, Cousins disapproved of the choice even before Karl was hired. As an owner and GM, you listen to your franchise player(s). You value their input. Ranadive and Vlade did not.

Getting rid of Karl may indicate they want to reconcile with Cousins. But since he doesn't get along with Gay, I'd say that's the player the Jazz should acquire. Gay would be a good 6th man behind Hayward. And the Jazz could try to sign him if Gordon decides to opt out and leave.

 

[b_line]

You lose your argument when you say Malone was his best coach. George Karl is a HOF caliber coach.. Can not even believe someone would say Malone was better then Karl. Shows you have zero bball iq so therefore no one can take your post serious.

Haha. George Karl was toast at this point. Not even remotely the same coach he was in the past.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

So as i understand it you think poor little DeMarcus Cousins is the victim in all the instability in Sacramento over that whole time, and it's not really his responsibility for having the on court demeanour of a sour lemon every time i've ever seen him play. Over his years in the league he's been a shining light left to rot by years of neglect and it's just coincidence that he's the common ingredient of all those stinking teams ?

It's like the person who can't maintain a relationship but always blames the other person. At some point, it becomes apparent that the constant factor in all the failed relationships is this person.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Two things.

1. Get over yourself.

2. No star is winning anything other then Jordan on that team. Cousins has rotted on that god forsaken team 5-6 years. Any of us would do the same as cousins.

No we wouldn't. Some would, others wouldn't. Quit excusing bad, immature behavior. The way people respond to such things naturally would vary widely according to their personalities. Cousin's personality is evident by now. His behavior is not an aberration, it is who he is. How many data points do you need beyond what we've seen after several years of consistent immature and detrimental behavior?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

No we wouldn't. Some would, others wouldn't. Quit excusing bad, immature behavior. The way people respond to such things naturally would vary widely according to their personalities. Cousin's personality is evident by now. His behavior is not an aberration, it is who he is. How many data points do you need beyond what we've seen after several years of consistent immature and detrimental behavior?

Look at his time in Kentucky. Was a great teammate. I didn't excuse his behavior, just that his level of maturity decreases after being in a not so good environment for so long. If u had to endure what he has had your attitude would suffer as well. All I'm saying is that in the right situation I'm a big believer in Cousins.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Look at his time in Kentucky. Was a great teammate. I didn't excuse his behavior, just that his level of maturity decreases after being in a not so good environment for so long. If u had to endure what he has had your attitude would suffer as well. All I'm saying is that in the right situation I'm a big believer in Cousins.

So he was a great teammate in the one year of college in which they won nearly every game. Since then, he's been an immature malcontent both on and off the court.

What if he moves to another franchise that struggles to win?

One thinks that the only way Cousins reverts back to being the 'great teammate' again is if he moves to a winning/contending team and pretty much gets his way all the time.

Everyone always thinks that they can be the one who reforms the bad boy. More often than not, they're wrong.