Anyone for Cousins?

[Thee Jazz Fan]

So he was a great teammate in the one year of college in which they won nearly every game. Since then, he's been an immature malcontent both on and off the court.

What if he moves to another franchise that struggles to win?

One thinks that the only way Cousins reverts back to being the 'great teammate' again is if he moves to a winning/contending team and pretty much gets his way all the time.

Everyone always thinks that they can be the one who reforms the bad boy. More often than not, they're wrong.

I did say on the right team and situation.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Haha. George Karl was toast at this point. Not even remotely the same coach he was in the past.

He did pretty well with his last stop in Denver. If anything it was the Kings players and franchise...Poitn remains when all is settled and done he is a HOF coach. He much better coach then Quin and yet people think Cousins would do good with Utah.comical.

 

[Harambe]

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I did say on the right team and situation.

Yes, you did. But part of my point is that IF the only way Cousins is not a destructive force/presence on his team is if he lands up in some ideal spot, that is not saying anything very complimentary of him. Part of maturity is making the best of less than ideal situations, while not being such a damned sourpuss and malcontent that you bring everyone else down with you as well

 

[NAOS]

Thanks, but no thanks.

medical professionals fawn over Cousins' skills. For this reason alone, I thought you two would be copacetic.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Yes, you did. But part of my point is that IF the only way Cousins is not a destructive force/presence on his team is if he lands up in some ideal spot, that is not saying anything very complimentary of him. Part of maturity is making the best of less than ideal situations, while not being such a damned sourpuss and malcontent that you bring everyone else down with you as well

Dennis Rodman Charles Barkley Ron Artest and many other immature players all thrived in the right environment. Cousins did too. Sac is the wrong environment for everyone.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I would also point out that Karl Malone was probably as big or bigger of a head case then Cousins, but he was in a great system with great teammates and owner that really kept him in check.

 

[homeytennis]

I would also point out that Karl Malone was probably as big or bigger of a head case then Cousins, but he was in a great system with great teammates and owner that really kept him in check.

Sloan did a pretty good job of keeping Karl in check. I think the Mailman is a pussycat compared to Cuz. I can't imagine the Mailman blowing up a coach before the guy set foot in the door. His mama would have paddled his behind.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Dennis Rodman Charles Barkley Ron Artest and many other immature players all thrived in the right environment. Cousins did too. Sac is the wrong environment for everyone.

They were immature, but they did not, to my memory, pull the team down with them, rather, they contributed to a winning teams (if not always contenders) thus were on balance positive forces for their teams, despite all their problems. (I may be remembering incorrectly but don't have the time to source check myself.) Cousins, in contrast, is a main contributor to the losing/negative environment in Sacramento. He's had several coaches, many teammates, management changes and an ownership change, yet nothing ever changes in terms of outcomes. He's the one constant to all the turmoil and losing in Sacramento. At some point, you really need to stop pointing the finger at everyone and everything except Cousins. He's a major part of the problem, I don't see how anyone can deny it at this point.

Your arguments seem to be to be like you're defending a guy who's been married and divorced multiple times arguing that all he needs is the perfect wife in the perfect situation and the next marriage will finally work. By this point, however, it's hard to escape the conclusion that it can't always just be the wife's fault, he has to bear some blame as well and probably a good share of it.

I think the better example for you is Zach Randolph. This is a guy who was a major head case early on and turned it around. So, I suppose it can be done. I have no insight into Cousins' psyche, I can only judge by what I see repeated over and over and over again. I could be wrong, I am not a psychologist, I only play one on Jazzfanz.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Sloan did a pretty good job of keeping Karl in check. I think the Mailman is a pussycat compared to Cuz. I can't imagine the Mailman blowing up a coach before the guy set foot in the door. His mama would have paddled his behind.

I love Malone and all, but he only seemed like a pussycat. Because LHM was like a father to him. Let's not forget he had sex with an under aged person and there was that time he blew up and trashed the org and LHM for a solid week on a radio show because he was upset with his contract.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I love Malone and all, but he only seemed like a pussycat. Because LHM was like a father to him. Let's not forget he had sex with an under aged person and there was that time he blew up and trashed the org and LHM for a solid week on a radio show because he was upset with his contract.

Did he quit playing in the court and throw fits? Malone had off the court issues but worked his *** off in his free time time to be better and brought his A game when the whistle blew. He also was a winner. Malone is a terrible comparison. I would take a chance on Cousins hoping he would change, if the trade wasn't too much. But let's not pretend losing and his poor attitude are not 100% his fault. He needs to grow up, accept responsibility and start giving it his all on and off the court if he wants to amount to anything. He is used to being the biggest kid and having everything given to him and being pampered by coaches. I think it's possible he changes but it's a big risk to bet on.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

They were immature, but they did not, to my memory, pull the team down with them, rather, they contributed to a winning teams (if not always contenders) thus were on balance positive forces for their teams, despite all their problems. (I may be remembering incorrectly but don't have the time to source check myself.) Cousins, in contrast, is a main contributor to the losing/negative environment in Sacramento. He's had several coaches, many teammates, management changes and an ownership change, yet nothing ever changes in terms of outcomes. He's the one constant to all the turmoil and losing in Sacramento. At some point, you really need to stop pointing the finger at everyone and everything except Cousins. He's a major part of the problem, I don't see how anyone can deny it at this point.

Your arguments seem to be to be like you're defending a guy who's been married and divorced multiple times arguing that all he needs is the perfect wife in the perfect situation and the next marriage will finally work. By this point, however, it's hard to escape the conclusion that it can't always just be the wife's fault, he has to bear some blame as well and probably a good share of it.

I think the better example for you is Zach Randolph. This is a guy who was a major head case early on and turned it around. So, I suppose it can be done. I have no insight into Cousins' psyche, I can only judge by what I see repeated over and over and over again. I could be wrong, I am not a psychologist, I only play one on Jazzfanz.

Wrong again.

None of those players played for an org nearly as bad as this kings org. Let's not also forget some of the antics of Artest Chuck and the worm. Artest is the one that got in a fight with an entire fan base inside an arena and screwed his team by getting suspended for an entire year. Chuck got in countless bar fights and on the court, and Rodman was run off the Spurs because they were tired of him. But all were in much better situations then Cousins. He hasn't done any worse then any of those guys, and too my knowledge has been a fine citizen in his community. It's funny u should mention Randolph. That basically makes my case. The second he left the jailblazers he no longer was a problem player.

Also wrong in saying that Cousins is the one constant to the Kings org formula. Kings were a laughing stock before Cousins was even drafted. Only thing that will turn things around is a LBJ or Jordan type of player. What's going on in kings land is not Cousins fault. Cousins has been in Siberia for his entire career. I've also heard numerous reports that most of his teammates say he is a great teammates.

I'm not trying to say that cousins is an angel, but it's human nature for someone to become even more irritable douchey the longer they have to endure a bad situation.

Look at a pitbull. They have wonderful dispositions and are a great family dog, but put them with a neglectful owner, and what happens to that sweet wonderful dog?