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green said:
I can't believe you guys don't get this simple, simple fact:

You need a star to go anywhere in the NBA.
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DUDE. Who are you talking to? LITERALLY NO ONE IS DISAGREEING WITH YOU.

What I'm referring to - and what I assume others are as well - is that you don't think anything else seems to matter. I get that you have to spend big to land the pieces, but you're talking about gutting the team for ONE unproven player. The package you're offering is something you offer the Rockets for Harden. A proven NBA superstar. How many years are you willing to spend on a rebuild? Because that's a full-blown rebuild, AND THE PROSPECT MIGHT NOT EVEN HIT.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Solomon Hill? ****ing serious? Are the Jazz missing bodies to field a team?
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Thank you. Think it's funny people are talking about this guy. I'd rather stick with ingles for what we are paying him then what we'd have to pay Hill. I'm not even sure Hill is better then Ingles.
Lattimer said:
I only read the first few pages and the last few.

Is there any realistic chance the Jazz can get a top 2 pick with our assets? I mean, I honestly don't care who we trade to get one of those picks, we would have to do it.

Simmons or Ingram would be worth it. But I'm not convinced any team that would have those picks would give them up unless for a star.

I mean, the Cavs would not have traded Wiggins for Love unless LeBron had forced their hand. Most teams are not in that situation where they need to do something like that.
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It's your opinion that trading Hayward is worth the 1-2 picks. Doesn't make this fact at all. It's a huge risk, that could end up setting us back. I have no idea how Ingram is a star. I don't see it. I also don't see Simmons as a sure thing
green said:
I can't believe you guys don't get this simple, simple fact:

You need a star to go anywhere in the NBA.

Houston made the playoffs over us.

Gobert, Favors and Hayward did not make the playoffs.

Harden did.

Lillard did.

Hayward, Favors and Gobert aren't taking us anywhere.

If this Jazz team becomes a 55 win team, it will be because Exum is a star.

No one else in this team has the ability to get us there.

So, would I trade Gobert, Favors and Hayward for a star or the chance to draft a star?

Yup. Because without a star we are a 7-10 seed in the West.
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Your an idiot!!
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Thank you. Think it's funny people are talking about this guy. I'd rather stick with ingles for what we are paying him then what we'd have to pay Hill. I'm not even sure Hill is better then Ingles.

It's your opinion that trading Hayward is worth the 1-2 picks. Doesn't make this fact at all. It's a huge risk, that could end up setting us back. I have no idea how Ingram is a star. I don't see it. I also don't see Simmons as a sure thing


Your an idiot!!
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You're.

I'll NEVER understand how people continually misuse, or outright don't use, 're. In the words of Peter Griffin, "it really grinds my gears!"
 
green said:
I'd trade Gobert, Favors and Hayward to LA for their pick.

That would give LA:

Russell
FA
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Toss in LeBron or Durrant and they are contending for a title.

It gives us a shot at getting a star, so we can have a hope of contending someday.
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I with ya about getting a star. But I think there is a limit to how much you give up for one. I would give a lot but your proposal is too much I think.

A star isn't enough. Look at the brow, and boogie cousins.

You need a good team around them too. What we would have left wouldn't be good enough.

I give then favors or hayward and toss in burke and burks.

You are talking about our three best players. All of them with a decent chance at making an all star team.
 
Lol [MENTION=228]green[/MENTION]

Jazz x old trade any one of Hayward favors or the go bear and get a pretty high pick. Lakers should be giving a pick and a player like jordan Clarkson to get even one of those guys. They would automatically be their best player.
 
If the Lakers get top 2 they wouldn't trade with us, they'd be looking for a Jimmy Butler type return. I do think they do #3 for Hayward or Gobert, the Jazz decline this pretty easily. #3 and down are pretty big wildcards in this draft.
 
If the jazz need a bonifide star then call the kings and see what they want for cousins.

Wait and see what happens in chitown they may start a rebuild.

Boston is in a win now they might trade a top 2 pick and logic says hayward would be the primary piece with stevens and all.

Milwaukee is a mess with the monroe signing and bad development but i would guess they build around giannis.

Washington is border line rebuild as wall ages and they havent been able to put a team around him. Bradley beal did not progress as they hoped.

Of course you have philly and they are a complete mess. I do like covington but he is not a star but a valuable role player. I would also inquire about their bigs.

If derozen leaves toronto will be a mess and working on a rebuild but they dont have much any more.

The best bet would be for the jazz to be patient.
 
Jazz4ever said:
If the Lakers get top 2 they wouldn't trade with us, they'd be looking for a Jimmy Butler type return. I do think they do #3 for Hayward or Gobert, the Jazz decline this pretty easily. #3 and down are pretty big wildcards in this draft.
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Hayward and Jimmy Butler are like the same level. Hayward might be better than Butler At least less locker room problems.
 
fishonjazz said:
I with ya about getting a star. But I think there is a limit to how much you give up for one. I would give a lot but your proposal is too much I think.

A star isn't enough. Look at the brow, and boogie cousins.

You need a good team around them too. What we would have left wouldn't be good enough.

I give then favors or hayward and toss in burke and burks.

You are talking about our three best players. All of them with a decent chance at making an all star team.
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I agree with everything you say. BUT, look at what Portland did with Lillard. They did what Utah did not.

Like I mentioned somewhere earlier, there is no one that would trade Gobert for PDX's starting C, Favors for PDX's starting PF, Hayward for PDX's starting SF, Hood for PDX's starting SG.

Yet, we were 9th and PDX was 5th.

Cousins is a head case. The Brow was in the playoffs last year, which is better than we were.


Anyways, my point has been made. I don't care how many Gobert's, Favor's, Hayward's we have...we aren't going anywhere without a star.

So, yes, I'd trade all of those guys for a star. If you have a star, you can build. If you have Hayward/Favors/Gobert you are stuck between 7-10 and going nowhere.

I'd rather have a shot for greatness than to make money for Millers by getting swept in the first round every year.
 
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