The way to get a star

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I keep thinking about the Spurs and Hawks.

The Spurs have Kawhi Leonard, legitimate superstar and maybe the best 2-way player in the league right now since LeBron seemed to not be as engaged defensively this regular season.Offensively Kawhi averaged 21 pts/7 rebs/2.6 assists/+50% FG/44% 3PT. Our Gordon Hayward averaged 19.7 pts/5 rebs/3.7 assists/43% FG/35% 3PT. I'm not sure if others noticed but Gordon in my mind took a big leap last season on the defensive end as well. To me, Gordon is the closest thing (maybe Jimmy Butler)to a poor man's Kawhi Leonard and I believe he just turned 26.

The Spurs have LaMarcus Aldridge, a legit offensive star 4 that you have to gameplan for. Offensively LaMarcus averaged 18 pts/8.5 rebs/1.5 assists/51.3% FG last season with the Spurs. Our Derrick Favors averaged 16.4/8.1 rebs/1.5 assists/51.5% FG. LaMarcus, of course, reigned in his offense this year with the Spurs and averaged <20 points for the first time since 2010. Derrick will (probably) never averaged >20 points in his career but the point I'm trying to make here is he still averaged 16 points last season and he is a really versatile defender, much more than Aldridge. Derrick had 226 possessions as the PNR Roll man and scored 1.11 Points Per Possesion. Aldridge had 258 possessions as the PNR Roll man and scored 0.9 PPP. Consider Derrick didn't even play with a "real starting" PG all season as well and also consider that Exum projects to be a beast in the PNR.

I really am just rambling but my point is these guys a pretty awesome talents. They are Millsap-esque in that they seem to keep improving and getting better and it is all a question of consistency with them. Derrick had an injury riddled 2015/2016 and like I mentioned above played without a true starting PG. Gordon didn't have many injuries to deal with but yet again a large amount of the playmaking was put on his shoulders this season (had the most assists on the team). I truly believe he will be a more consistent player without as much of the playmaking burden. I am not with the camp that believes we should trade these guys for unknowns at this point.

Gordon did actually play hurt for a large chunk of the year with plantar fasciitis which tends to be very painful and doesn't go away with out tons of rest which can't happen till the off season. At one point it got so painful he had to sit out a game or two.

 

[Boris]

Idiot does not realize what the entire world realizes. KD is signing here this summer because he wants a championship. Westbrook will follow the next summer. Stockton n Malone will be brought on board as player coaches or smth and will be honored w a honorary championship.

 

[Miggs]

I keep thinking about the Spurs and Hawks.

The Spurs have Kawhi Leonard, legitimate superstar and maybe the best 2-way player in the league right now since LeBron seemed to not be as engaged defensively this regular season.Offensively Kawhi averaged 21 pts/7 rebs/2.6 assists/+50% FG/44% 3PT. Our Gordon Hayward averaged 19.7 pts/5 rebs/3.7 assists/43% FG/35% 3PT. I'm not sure if others noticed but Gordon in my mind took a big leap last season on the defensive end as well. To me, Gordon is the closest thing (maybe Jimmy Butler)to a poor man's Kawhi Leonard and I believe he just turned 26.

The biggest difference in those numbers is efficiency. I've said it before and I'll say it again, that should be our number one priority as far as current player development goes this off-season. Three-point shooting. In today's NBA, Gordo needs to hit right around 39-40%, Hood 41-43%, Burks around 38-39%, Exum around 35-36%, and so forth. There's no reason they can't. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, we could be a 55 win team this coming season. Yep, I said it.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Lakers would laugh at you. They know that you need a star to win in this league so why would they trade a future star for 2 good role players? Lakers have chips. They are not some foolish franchise. They know what it takes to win in NBA, Unlike the Jazz. I give you an A Plus for effort and for admitting you need a star player however

 

[fishonjazz]

Lakers would laugh at you. They know that you need a star to win in this league so why would they trade a future star for 2 good role players? Lakers have chips. They are not some foolish franchise. They know what it takes to win in NBA, Unlike the Jazz. I give you an A Plus for effort and for admitting you need a star player however

Lakers can get a current star instead of a future star in free agency. Getting Hayward and favors and bringing in a big time free agent (durant or something) would mean that they would be contenders right away.

Keeping their pick means waiting years for development and makes their team less attractive for big time free agents who know they would not have much of a supporting cast right now and they would have to wait to contend.

Giving them favors and hayward would show big time free agents that the Lakers have a good supporting cast and are serious about winning right now.

That's why the Lakers would think about doing it.

 

[Boris]

Lakers can get a current star instead of a future star in free agency. Getting Hayward and favors and bringing in a big time free agent (durant or something) would mean that they would be contenders right away.

Keeping their pick means waiting years for development and makes their team less attractive for big time free agents who know they would not have much of a supporting cast right now and they would have to wait to contend.

Giving them favors and hayward would show big time free agents that the Lakers have a good supporting cast and are serious about winning right now.

That's why the Lakers would think about doing it.

Who are the Jazz accepting on Hayward n faves? I do not think deangelo n the 2 pick is on the table for us. Do we get Randle too? Are we blowing this think up bad now?

 

[fishonjazz]

Who are the Jazz accepting on Hayward n faves? I do not think deangelo n the 2 pick is on the table for us. Do we get Randle too? Are we blowing this think up bad now?

I think it was favors and hayward for #2 pick. That's it. And I'm not so sure I would even do that (and im one if the people constantly saying the jazz should be going after a chance for a star) but ncoloradojazz was saying the Lakers would never do it.
I think they would definitely consider it. I think we would be giving up too much though.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Favors and Hayward for "a star" in this years draft? I don't see it. As I have said before. This years draft isn't the draft that get you the star. Trade them both and set yourself back at least 5 years. I would be hesitant to trade either of them for Simmons or Ingram. Just don't see a STAR in either of them. IMHO


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[MDAV28]

Gordon did actually play hurt for a large chunk of the year with plantar fasciitis which tends to be very painful and doesn't go away with out tons of rest which can't happen till the off season. At one point it got so painful he had to sit out a game or two.

I did not even remember this from last season. That's a great addition, seems like that would definitely effect consistency.

 

[MDAV28]

The biggest difference in those numbers is efficiency. I've said it before and I'll say it again, that should be our number one priority as far as current player development goes this off-season. Three-point shooting. In today's NBA, Gordo needs to hit right around 39-40%, Hood 41-43%, Burks around 38-39%, Exum around 35-36%, and so forth. There's no reason they can't. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, we could be a 55 win team this coming season. Yep, I said it.

I agree with you. These guys have to be threats from deep.

Don't even get me started on Exum. If guys have to go OVER screens on him... watch out.

 

[silesian]

The way to get a star: (1) build a top 5-9 team with the current process (currently Raptors, Clippers, Hawks, Heat, Celtics (using Sagarin)). Develop the talent we have, add better complementary pieces. This is a realistic goal.
(2) Sign a championship-hungry Star to put us in title contention. This is also a realistic possibility.

 

[silesian]

I think it was favors and hayward for #2 pick. That's it. And I'm not so sure I would even do that (and im one if the people constantly saying the jazz should be going after a chance for a star) but ncoloradojazz was saying the Lakers would never do it.
I think they would definitely consider it. I think we would be giving up too much though.

Lakers do Fav/Hayward/#12 for #2. Jazz don't, it sets them back too many years.