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The way to get a star

Thee jazz fan said:
Gordon did actually play hurt for a large chunk of the year with plantar fasciitis which tends to be very painful and doesn't go away with out tons of rest which can't happen till the off season. At one point it got so painful he had to sit out a game or two.
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I did not even remember this from last season. That's a great addition, seems like that would definitely effect consistency.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
The biggest difference in those numbers is efficiency. I've said it before and I'll say it again, that should be our number one priority as far as current player development goes this off-season. Three-point shooting. In today's NBA, Gordo needs to hit right around 39-40%, Hood 41-43%, Burks around 38-39%, Exum around 35-36%, and so forth. There's no reason they can't. If they can improve their perimeter shooting, we could be a 55 win team this coming season. Yep, I said it.
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I agree with you. These guys have to be threats from deep.

Don't even get me started on Exum. If guys have to go OVER screens on him... watch out.
 
The way to get a star: (1) build a top 5-9 team with the current process (currently Raptors, Clippers, Hawks, Heat, Celtics (using Sagarin)). Develop the talent we have, add better complementary pieces. This is a realistic goal.
(2) Sign a championship-hungry Star to put us in title contention. This is also a realistic possibility.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think it was favors and hayward for #2 pick. That's it. And I'm not so sure I would even do that (and im one if the people constantly saying the jazz should be going after a chance for a star) but ncoloradojazz was saying the Lakers would never do it.
I think they would definitely consider it. I think we would be giving up too much though.
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Lakers do Fav/Hayward/#12 for #2. Jazz don't, it sets them back too many years.
 
MDAV28 said:
When has this happened without a "star" already on the team?
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Happens all the time. The Jazz have better teams and talent than many who have acquired "stars"


Star-less Suns had 29 wins and no allstars when they signed Nash in 2004 (got them to first seed, 60 wins)
Harden was traded to a star-less Rockets.
Deron was traded to star-less Nets.
Carmelo was traded to the star-less Knicks
Kidd was traded to a star-less Nets (26 game improvement)
Star-less Kings signed Vlade, moved them into the playoffs
Star-less Wizards signed Arenas in 2003.

That's just off the top of my head.
 
I'd trade Favors/Hayward/#12 to LA for Nance/Williams/#2

I could absolutely see the Lakers biting on this. If they sign Derozen as well, which is sounding pretty likely, that would give them a pretty legit lineup of:

PG: Russell
SG: Derozen
SF: Hayward
PF: Randle
C: Favors

That's a team I'd be afraid of playing in the next few years for sure.
 
silesian said:
Happens all the time. The Jazz have better teams and talent than many who have acquired "stars"


Star-less Suns had 29 wins and no allstars when they signed Nash in 2004 (got them to first seed, 60 wins)
Harden was traded to a star-less Rockets.
Deron was traded to star-less Nets.
Carmelo was traded to the star-less Knicks
Kidd was traded to a star-less Nets (26 game improvement)
Star-less Kings signed Vlade, moved them into the playoffs
Star-less Wizards signed Arenas in 2003.

That's just off the top of my head.
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First of all you said nothing about trades. Sign implies FA, second of all you said "championship-hungry", were these guys going to these teams for championships?
 
MDAV28 said:
First of all you said nothing about trades. Sign implies FA, second of all you said "championship-hungry", were these guys going to these teams for championships?
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I was answering the specific question as to whether you could add a star to a team that did not have a star -- the answer is clearly yes.

The basic concept holds true whether you sign a FA or get one in a trade.

You see FAs sign on to teams with a shot to win a title pretty regularly.

Just need to add up several tactical pieces together to sum up to a cohesive and reasonable strategy.

Basic concept is that it is a multiple move strategy. First build a good core, then take it to the next level. Lindsay talks about this all the time. Parlaying assets to improve talent level, etc.
 
David Stern said:
I'd trade Favors/Hayward/#12 to LA for Nance/Williams/#2

I could absolutely see the Lakers biting on this. If they sign Derozen as well, which is sounding pretty likely, that would give them a pretty legit lineup of:

PG: Russell
SG: Derozen
SF: Hayward
PF: Randle
C: Favors

That's a team I'd be afraid of playing in the next few years for sure.
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I can't think of who Williams is.
 
David Stern said:
I'd trade Favors/Hayward/#12 to LA for Nance/Williams/#2

I could absolutely see the Lakers biting on this. If they sign Derozen as well, which is sounding pretty likely, that would give them a pretty legit lineup of:

PG: Russell
SG: Derozen
SF: Hayward
PF: Randle
C: Favors

That's a team I'd be afraid of playing in the next few years for sure.
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They might do it if they're getting Durant, it puts them on the map as an instant contender and don't have to wait 5 years for a Simmons or Ingram to enter their prime.
Derozan...eh...they know it takes at least one superstar and are now hand cuffed financially to go get any other free agents.
 
Broncster said:
Lou Williams, I assume he is just there to makes salaries work.
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I see. I kind of like him. One of the best bench players in the league at times during his career.
 
The reason I didn't put Lou Williams in the original post and floated a possibility of Russell (along with the reason I didn't include the #12 pick) is that if the Lakers were to go for something like this, I'd think they'd decide to go all in. And it would only make sense for the Jazz to go all in as well.

For the next few years, Lou Williams still helps Lakers more than Russell (presuming the Lakers were able to cobble together a solid core of 25-30 year olds).

And if the Jazz decided to reset with a core of 19-24 year olds (again, it wouldn't be my preference, but it's an interesting possibility), there's no reason to want Lou Williams around.

But on reflection, I probably overestimated how easily the locker-room issues might lead the Lakers to cut ties with Russell.
 
Although I will say that getting rid of the salary of either Williams or Russell would be key (if my rough estimates are right) to the Lakers being able to chase Durant plus one other major free agent this summer if they obtained Hayward & Favors.
 
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