Kanter still sucks.

[couscous]

Adams + Ibaka better than Favors + Gobert? Bubble totes busted bro.

strictly defensively against small lineup like GSW, who intentionally exploit bigs by switching guards on them?

Then YES, Adams and Ibaka are much better guarding them than Favors/Gobert. Over the course of 82 games against every other teams in the league, then you might have an argument that Favors/Gobert is better defensively.

I don't understand why we can't have an intelligent conversation about this, it's not a knock against Favors/Gobert, most bigs or even guards would have tough time chasing Curry/Klay/Draymond on the perimeter when they go small. It's not an all-or-nothing conversation, just because there are certain lineup our bigs can't effectively handle.

 

[NAOS]

The trend is every team will have a stretch PF soon. Some offenses could even go 5 out on a full time basis when they face the Jazz. Those would be particularly devastating for Gobert as he would be 20" away from the basket, and on the other end they just put some 6'7" guy on Gobert and he doesn't have an offense to even punish them. The scouting report was out on the Jazz last year, and well coached teams with the proper personnel dissected us. Getting more players that can switch on defense will help. Our PGs last year were too small to switch on a 6'7" player. Exum, on the other hand, could switch and throw a huge wrench in their plans. It's why I think the Jazz will target Baldwin in the draft.

ultra-small/5-out lineups are not going to be the norm. Probably ever. But the jazz will face them more than most teams until their bigs start punishing the matchup problems their opponents face by going that direction.

(But, just so we're clear, you're talking about ultra-small lineups right now. And the jazz aren't alone in figuring out how they can adapt to those strategies while playing to their strengths. The bottom line is that Gobert will be fine against any 4-out-1-in lineup; and he's shown plenty of perimeter mobility when he's been healthy [see Aldridge beat downs])

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

The trend is every team will have a stretch PF soon. Some offenses could even go 5 out on a full time basis when they face the Jazz. Those would be particularly devastating for Gobert as he would be 20" away from the basket, and on the other end they just put some 6'7" guy on Gobert and he doesn't have an offense to even punish them. The scouting report was out on the Jazz last year, and well coached teams with the proper personnel dissected us. Getting more players that can switch on defense will help. Our PGs last year were too small to switch on a 6'7" player. Exum, on the other hand, could switch and throw a huge wrench in their plans. It's why I think the Jazz will target Baldwin in the draft.

I guess it's a good thing Gobert isn't a 4. And I seriously doubt most teams will have 5 outside.

 

[zbone]

I guess it's a good thing Gobert isn't a 4. And I seriously doubt most teams will have 5 outside.

Gobert also plays poorly against mobile like Davis or heavy 5's like Brook Lopez.
Heck, even freaking Mavs small ball with Dirk at 5 was painful to watch Gobert against.

It's a big ask from Gobert to become healthier, stronger and better on offense to stop being a liability in not so rare match ups.

After all if only DeRozan would be able to shoot from behind the line above 38% he would be a top 5 player in the league. Only one thing to improve. Must be easy.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Gobert also plays poorly against mobile like Davis or heavy 5's like Brook Lopez.
Heck, even freaking Mavs small ball with Dirk at 5 was painful to watch Gobert against.

It's a big ask from Gobert to become healthier, stronger and better on offense to stop being a liability in not so rare match ups.

After all if only DeRozan would be able to shoot from behind the line above 38% he would be a top 5 player in the league. Only one thing to improve. Must be easy.

Still only a few teams that present this problem, plus in his second year when 100% healthy this wasn't an issue. Plus Gobert is the type to make adjustments.


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[Lakers_Slapper]

Game 1: 8 points, 6 rebounds, +2
Game 2: 6 points, 2 rebounds, -11
Game 3: 10 points, 12 rebounds, -17
Game 4: 1 point, 2 rebounds, +6
Game 5: 1 point, 2 rebounds, 0

He's averaging 5.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game. Stellar. -20 for the series while OKC is +22.

He sucks/

I'd rather suck and be in the Western Conference Finals, than be an ok player and not even make the playoffs. He sucks, but the entire team is watching him suck from their living rooms.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I'd rather suck and be in the Western Conference Finals, than be an ok player and not even make the playoffs. He sucks, but the entire team is watching him suck from their living rooms.

Lamest statement ever. You want to suck and ride someone else's coattails .... great point.

 

[aether34]

4-5 FG for 8 points in 10 mins, and he was +15 while whole rest of the team is negative

 

[FalseFlagg K]

4-5 FG for 8 points in 10 mins, and he was +15 while whole rest of the team is negative

lol and he was so damn valuable .. he stayed on court for all of 10 mins .. enough said.

 

[aether34]

lol and he was so damn valuable .. he stayed on court for all of 10 mins .. enough said.

Yea, but he had 0 points or negative plus-minus it doesnt matter that hes only playing a litte minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

4-5 FG for 8 points in 10 mins, and he was +15 while whole rest of the team is negative

He plays more minutes and okc loses.

I believe it was Booker who said he can get his stats and take the loss

 

[aether34]

He plays more minutes and okc loses.

I believe it was Booker who said he can get his stats and take the loss

Just like in the Dallas and the Spurs series ? Where he played around 30 min games and they won ? Booker is a bench player in a ****ty lottery team, he needs to look cool to fans so maybe he can stay in the NBA longer