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Orrin Hatch writes about a meeting that actually hadn't happened yet

I love living in Utah but there are a few things that are embarrassing about this state. At or near the top of that list of embarrassing things about Utah is Orrin Hatch. Almost everything he does or says makes me cringe and embarrassed he is representing our state in any fashion.
 
The responses show why our political system is so corrupt. We all talk about Bernie or Trump, but when it's "our guy"...we don't care. Then we re-elect him. And do it again. And again.
 
green said:
The responses show why our political system is so corrupt. We all talk about Bernie or Trump, but when it's "our guy"...we don't care. Then we re-elect him. And do it again. And again.
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But if you don't vote for our guy, their guy might win.
 
JimLes said:
But if you don't vote for our guy, their guy might win.
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JimLes said:
And the biggest obstacle to a viable third party. If you split the vote, then their guy can win with 30-40%. Best to just vote for our guy.
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That basically moderates our political process, which is what most people bitching about a two party system tend to want in a third party anyway.

The main thing I love about politics is the inherent hypocrisy of it all. I don't really give a damn about the rest. I can adapt.
 
True Orrin Hatch Story that I just have to share:

When I was in 4th grade (circa 1986) Governor Norm Bangerter came to my Elementary School for an assembly. During the assembly, he tells a story of perseverance. The Cliff Notes version: The Bangerter family raised homing pigeons and Norm had a favorite bird amongst these pigeons. Well, Norm's bird fails to come back one day after being sent out on a flight. Norm gives up on the bird and 6 months later, guess who comes walking up the driveway with a broken wing? Little guy still made it home!

Now, the following year, it's announced that Orrin Hatch will be visiting our school for an assembly. I know what you're thinking, Bangerter and Hatch back to back? No way! Well I'm here to tell you, yes way! During the assembly, Hatch proceeds to tell the EXACT same pigeon story, except it's his family that owns the pigeon's and instead of it taking 6 months for the little guy to return, Orrin's bird was gone for 1 full year.

Needless to say, I still hold Hatch and Bangerter fully responsible for all of my political trust issues. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the school administration as Orrin launched into a ******** story not knowing that the entire school had just been fed the same exact ******** less than 12 months prior.
 
jazzman12 said:
True Orrin Hatch Story that I just have to share:

When I was in 4th grade (circa 1986) Governor Norm Bangerter came to my Elementary School for an assembly. During the assembly, he tells a story of perseverance. The Cliff Notes version: The Bangerter family raised homing pigeons and Norm had a favorite bird amongst these pigeons. Well, Norm's bird fails to come back one day after being sent out on a flight. Norm gives up on the bird and 6 months later, guess who comes walking up the driveway with a broken wing? Little guy still made it home!

Now, the following year, it's announced that Orrin Hatch will be visiting our school for an assembly. I know what you're thinking, Bangerter and Hatch back to back? No way! Well I'm here to tell you, yes way! During the assembly, Hatch proceeds to tell the EXACT same pigeon story, except it's his family that owns the pigeon's and instead of it taking 6 months for the little guy to return, Orrin's bird was gone for 1 full year.

Needless to say, I still hold Hatch and Bangerter fully responsible for all of my political trust issues. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the school administration as Orrin launched into a ******** story not knowing that the entire school had just been fed the same exact ******** less than 12 months prior.
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The pigeons walked home? Lol, not a chance. This guy has them both beat (2 years), but at least he doesn't claim the bird walked home.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eon-way-home-shed-gone-missing-TWO-YEARS.html
 
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franklin said:
That basically moderates our political process, which is what most people bitching about a two party system tend to want in a third party anyway.
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Right. If we've learned anything from the Sanders/Trump phenomena, it's that people find establishment candidates too extreme. They want someone even wishy-washier than Hilary or Jeb Bush.
 
JimLes said:
And the biggest obstacle to a viable third party. If you split the vote, then their guy can win with 30-40%. Best to just vote for our guy.
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Yup, until you stop looking at it as "theirs" v. "ours'
 
franklin said:
That basically moderates our political process, which is what most people bitching about a two party system tend to want in a third party anyway.

The main thing I love about politics is the inherent hypocrisy of it all. I don't really give a damn about the rest. I can adapt.
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For me it is more the two parties we have instead of the fact that there are two parties.
 
Stoked said:
For me it is more the two parties we have instead of the fact that there are two parties.
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I hope that something different can emerge, but realistically we're just going to have the same people calling themselves by different names. Is it really conceivable that an entirely new political class would take their place? No.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I hope that something different can emerge, but realistically we're just going to have the same people calling themselves by different names.
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Well, what else could possibly happen? If by some chance, either of the two parties was to implode/explode/disappear/whatever, do you think a new party would not emerge to represent those voters? And do you not think that party would hold largely the same views as the old party? Most issues are binary. You either support gay marriage or you don't. You either support more gun controls or less. You either support more military involvement around the world or less. You either want more government involvement in the economy or less.

It's hard to imagine a party that would somehow have different views on every issue than either of the two current parties. Or some other combination of views. As cute as it is to see people on the internet pretending there's such a thing as being socially liberal and fiscally conservative, that's a massive oxymoron. You can't possibly logically believe we need to eradicate poverty, but then also believe we need to keep government out of our lives and spend less.

People, very broadly, are either socially liberal and believe the government can be a force for good or are socially conservative and believe the government to be inherently bad. Hence two parties. And the first past the post system plays a huge part in propping the two-party system up.
 
JimLes said:
Well, what else could possibly happen? If by some chance, either of the two parties was to implode/explode/disappear/whatever, do you think a new party would not emerge to represent those voters? And do you not think that party would hold largely the same views as the old party? Most issues are binary. You either support gay marriage or you don't. You either support more gun controls or less. You either support more military involvement around the world or less. You either want more government involvement in the economy or less.

It's hard to imagine a party that would somehow have different views on every issue than either of the two current parties. Or some other combination of views. As cute as it is to see people on the internet pretending there's such a thing as being socially liberal and fiscally conservative, that's a massive oxymoron. You can't possibly logically believe we need to eradicate poverty, but then also believe we need to keep government out of our lives and spend less.

People, very broadly, are either socially liberal and believe the government can be a force for good or are socially conservative and believe the government to be inherently bad. Hence two parties. And the first past the post system plays a huge part in propping the two-party system up.
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IAWTP. The paradox is that most Americans are somewhere in the middle, but the parties tend to be defined by the extremes. Both parties pander to their bases in the primaries, and then try to move toward the middle in the general election. They then govern toward their base. What if someone legitimately ran as a centrist, speaking to the middle in the primary, speaking to the middle in the general, and most importantly governing toward the middle once they were in power. Is such a thing possible?
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
IAWTP. The paradox is that most Americans are somewhere in the middle, but the parties tend to be defined by the extremes. Both parties pander to their bases in the primaries, and then try to move toward the middle in the general election. They then govern toward their base. What if someone legitimately ran as a centrist, speaking to the middle in the primary, speaking to the middle in the general, and most importantly governing toward the middle once they were in power. Is such a thing possible?
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There's nothing centrist about the American Enterprise Institute, which self-defines as a conservative "think-tank"
 
dalamon said:
There's nothing centrist about the American Enterprise Institute, which self-defines as a conservative "think-tank"
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also, lol @ the notion of the DNC being considered an "extremist" party. If Hillary didn't have her email scandals behind her she'd easily be the most centrist American presidential candidate of my lifetime
 
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