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King Cy said:
That would be a mistake.
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I like Murrays long term prospects better than Hoods but hood could also take a leap. I like Hood but not married to him.

I see Hayward as our most irreplaceable piece. If someone felt strongly that Lyles is going to be as good or better than favors I could see a scenario where he is the most valuable trade asset that could be moved in a deal like this.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Murrays long term prospects better than Hoods but hood could also take a leap. I like Hood but not married to him.

I see Hayward as our most irreplaceable piece. If someone felt strongly that Lyles is going to be as good or better than favors I could see a scenario where he is the most valuable trade asset that could be moved in a deal like this.
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Favors not tradeable in this NBA. He is too versatile on D when teams go small.

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King Cy said:
I still have a lot of faith in the core of this team and how it has been built. with an emphasis on 2-way players and length. Even though Hood isn't known as a defender, he does have great size for a 2 guard. I think trading him for a small SG (who at best will be an average defender) would be a mistake.
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That's fair and I have no problem with that line of thinking.

The idea of some of the things that Murray could do is tantalizing to me... I think our defense wouldn't take a big step back. Hood is an adequate defender but I don't see him ever being great on that end.
 
King Cy said:
Dejounte Murray is definitely the most Burks like player in this draft.

Definitely not as explosive as Burks, but seems to have a better feel for making plays for others.
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Didn't Murray have a really good last game against the Utes or was that someone else on wash.

Dr. Jones said:
I'm not in on Sabonis at 12. At all.
I'd rather have Purtle. And I don't want him either.
Is it okay to want more?
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I agree with the Sabonis thing here. Think people are over hyping him because he had the game of his life vs Utah in the ncaa's
Dr. Jones said:
Got news.
Hayward is okay.
Favors is okay.
That's it.
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17 and 20 point scorers that play great defense. Ok
Dr. Jones said:
Why?

Hayward shoots average.
Handles average.
Rebounds average.
Paid max.

I love Hayward, I do, but trying to understand the sacred cow thing.
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Hayward was defended like a star He was doubled and trapped like crazy with the strategy of getting the ball out of his hands and let someone else beat us. He was also better in the clutch then most realize.
Dr. Jones said:
Less than 35% from 3.
Less than 43.3% overall.

What is elite that suggests MAX money?
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Again. See my post above.

I usually have defended u in regards to your objectivity regarding players from Kentucky, but your Murray love way past over the deep end. If anything the C's need to give up #3 and other assets just so Utah doesn't hang up laughing. I still feel like Hayward is still improving, and see perennial allstar in his future, like when the rest of the talent catches up to him. Namely Hood Lyles Exum Gobert and Burks and upgrading the other role players on the team. Put him on a contender last year and he's an allstar having more room to shoot and drive getting to the ft line, which he does at a nice rate already.

Again this team is rebuilding and all the focus of the defense is on Hayward. He is guarded like a superstar. Will he ever be a superstar? Most likely not but as good as most others.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Got news.
Hayward is okay.
Favors is okay.
That's it.
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I posted this in another thread, but here it is again:

starting lineup with Neto: +7.2 net rating
starting lineup with Mack: +10.2 net rating
Burks+starting lineup(triple wing): +11.3 net rating.
Lyles instead of Gobert + starting lineup(Neto lineup): +11.4 net rating.
Lyles instead of Favors + starting lineup(Neto lineup): +9.0 net rating
Lyles instead of Favors + starting lineup(Mack lineup): +19.9 net rating
Exum + starting lineup last year(with Exum and Hood being rookies): +10.8 net rating

There is something brewing with this team. We are competitive when our main guys are on the floor. Actually, scratch that - we are killing it when our main guys are on the floor, virtually every lineup with our top 7 players has a rating similar to that of the Warriors/Spurs as a team. I can't get the desire by Jazz fans to trade away our best players right when they are starting to click and build something good. We don't need big changes if we keep that type of success of our main units - we need health and we need to strengthen the bench.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Why?

Hayward shoots average.
Handles average.
Rebounds average.
Paid max.

I love Hayward, I do, but trying to understand the sacred cow thing.
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Dr. Jones said:
Less than 35% from 3.
Less than 43.3% overall.

What is elite that suggests MAX money?
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In a league where the salaries are capped between 25% and 35%, most contenders have 2-3 max salary guys. The question is not whether or not Hayward is a no. 1 option. The question is whether or not you can get anyone better for the same money? If the answer is no - you give him the money and you keep him. I agree that he's not a traditional first option, but he's improved tremendously as a focal point of our offense in the last couple of years. People look at his 44/35 and think nothing special, but forget to see that he's a top 10 player in the league at drawing fouls. His efficiency is well above average(57% TS% last year and 56% TS% this year) for the league and that's with him shouldering the offensive load with an extremely young team and while being asked to prop up some horrendous back up units. If you adjust his counting stats per 100 possessions(because of our extremely slow pace), there aren't many players in the league that give you what he does.

Hell.. let me check... pts/rbs/ast per 100

Here it goes: list of players with higher pts, ast and rbs / 100


Somewhere between 25 and 30 teams in the league would love to have Hayward as a second or third option and would give him the max for it.
 
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Are the trade-Hayward ppl really ****ing coming out again? Same posters who whined when we maxed him.

And now there's ppl wanting to trade Hood and a 12th for Jamal Murray. Jesus ****ing christ.
 
Hey guys we have what Rick Carlisle referred to as the best young wing tandem in the NBA-- coachable players with diverse offensive repertoires who play well off of each other.




WHY DONT WE TRADE BOTH OF THEM!!!!
 
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