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fishonjazz said:
I think he meant it won't cost us much in terms of wins and losses next year and down the road if we replace Hayward with murray and bazemore or something and hood and Burks step up in Haywards absence.

I think if we did this trade then we make the playoffs next year and probably lose in the first round.

We max Hayward next year and we probably lose in the first round of the playoffs next year two but maybe we look a bit better losing.

I think that a core of exum, mack, hood, burks, bazemore (or another similar level free agent.... Who I think more likely to come to the jazz after the void Hayward leaves) favors, lyles, gobert, murray/dunn/chriss/hield/whoever, puertle/skal/luwawoo/furkan/baldwin/whoever is about the same as a core of exum, mack, burks, hayward, hood, lyles, favors, Gobert, luwawaou/puertle/skal/baldwin/furkan/blah blah blah.

In other words, we are about the same good... Unless murray or whoever is a homerun pick (No one knows until a few years later) then we end up much better.
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None of those players would replace Hayward and make our team as good or even close. It'd be a huge loss.

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King Cy said:
None of those players would replace Hayward and make our team as good or even close. It'd be a huge loss.

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I broke down the rosters and they don't look much different to me.
 
fishonjazz said:
So there are three guys in the first tier? Then the #3 pick would get a tier 1 dude? All the better

Oh wait I see. Those are two tiers. So we would get a 2nd tier guy rather than a third tier guy like I have been hearing.
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That is just my opinion on Bender. That would be stupid to trade Hayward for Bender. If you want Bender you trade Favors or Gobert, not Hayward.

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King Cy said:
That is just my opinion on Bender. That would be stupid to trade Hayward for Bender. If you want Bender you trade Favors or Gobert, not Hayward.

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Would love to trade favors or Gobert for a top pick too.
I didn't think they would get us there.
 
King Cy said:
Well I guess that shows your knowledge of the Jazz.

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Yep. Way better than yours. Hayward has not done all that much for the team in the win loss column. And I know about all the excuses. Doesn't change that fact. Hell, last year we looked great when he was out with injury. I know I know. Sample size. Still doesn't change the fact that we looked great without him.
His stats have not been improving on a year by year basis if you account for minutes. I know I know, his teammates are not good enough for his stats to improve.
He has never been an all star. I know I know, his point guards have not been good enough to help get him there.
 
King Cy said:
I wouldn't trade any of them for Bender.

The lack of respect for our players is astonishing.

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Ya I know. They have all accomplished so much!
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. Way better than yours. Hayward has not done all that much for the team in the win loss column. And I know about all the excuses. Doesn't change that fact. Hell, last year we looked great when he was out with injury. I know I know. Sample size. Still doesn't change the fact that we looked great without him.
His stats have not been improving on a year by year basis if you account for minutes. I know I know, his teammates are not good enough for his stats to improve.
He has never been an all star. I know I know, his point guards have not been good enough to help get him there.
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Lol

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Here's the thing.

I wouldn't trade Gobert, Favors, or Hayward, for ANYONE in this draft, straight up.
Only reason I pick on Hayward is his max contract and his term.
Makes a ducking difference.
 
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