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George Hill coming to Utah

Stifle Tower said:
It's this. I like Hill; he's a good player. But did Utah give up getting another player like Gobert or Hood? Or even worse, a shot at finding a real gem like Klay, Draymond, etc.? The list of all-stars includes a couple of players drafted at/after #12 every year. Guys like Hill can usually be had at the deadline for a 2nd-rounder. Atlanta didnt even WANT to keep their picks in order to free up more money for free agency.

DL should have gotten Hill much cheaper and STILL had a chance on getting a player with tremendous upside at #12, especially with a couple of players who slipped. He tried to trade back in, but couldn't. That's because he panicked and gave away the #12 when he probably could have played hardball and insisted on swapping picks with Atlanta and throwing in a couple of seconds.
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Millsap's Uncle prevented us from finding the all-star of your 2106 Darft Dreams
 
Stifle Tower said:
It's this. I like Hill; he's a good player. But did Utah give up getting another player like Gobert or Hood? Or even worse, a shot at finding a real gem like Klay, Draymond, etc.? The list of all-stars includes a couple of players drafted at/after #12 every year. Guys like Hill can usually be had at the deadline for a 2nd-rounder. Atlanta didnt even WANT to keep their picks in order to free up more money for free agency.

DL should have gotten Hill much cheaper and STILL had a chance on getting a player with tremendous upside at #12, especially with a couple of players who slipped. He tried to trade back in, but couldn't. That's because he panicked and gave away the #12 when he probably could have played hardball and insisted on swapping picks with Atlanta and throwing in a couple of seconds.
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I dont think either of Indiana, Utah, or Atlanta were desperate to get a trade done, so I don't really think any side got a significantly better deal. I think it was a pretty fair deal on all sides because of that.
 
#bern said:
This dude thinks we could get Hill with 2nd rounders.

Top 15 pg for 2nd rounders.

I give up.
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No. I said a pick swap + 2nds. And you don't get it. Indiana and Atlanta wanted to deal. Hill HAD to be dealt. And after the trade, The report came out that Atlanta didn't really want to keep that pick. That tells me a swap + 2nds next season likely would have sealed the deal. Hill isn't a great PG anymore. He's good, but not all-star level. He's on an expiring, so they were looking to get whatever they could. Jazz burned a lottery pick on a player who might start this year, but then will be a backup to Dante for the next 4 as Hill ages and declines. Jazz need to be drafting guys they hope can develop into stars, not roster backups. Where would GS be had they not drafted Klay and Draymond but instead traded those picks for 12/3 30-yr olds?
 
Stifle Tower said:
No. I said a pick swap + 2nds. And you don't get it. Indiana and Atlanta wanted to deal. Hill HAD to be dealt. And after the trade, The report came out that Atlanta didn't really want to keep that pick. That tells me a swap + 2nds next season likely would have sealed the deal. Hill isn't a great PG anymore. He's good, but not all-star level. He's on an expiring, so they were looking to get whatever they could. Jazz burned a lottery pick on a player who might start this year, but then will be a backup to Dante for the next 4 as Hill ages and declines. Jazz need to be drafting guys they hope can develop into stars, not roster backups. Where would GS be had they not drafted Klay and Draymond but instead traded those picks for 12/3 30-yr olds?
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The only report came out was taht Atlanta was looking to move up in the draft with both picks. They didnt watn to get rid of the picks.
 
#bern said:
I still can't believe people think Teague is better than Hill. Do y'all actually watch basketball? Care about defense?
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It's honestly not even that someone could think Teague is better is that Hill is a much better fit. Doesn't need the ball to be effective, great defender, can play and guard both positions.

Teague is probably more exciting but exciting doesn't always win.
 
#bern said:
I still can't believe people think Teague is better than Hill. Do y'all actually watch basketball? Care about defense?
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Well coaches and media who watch the game must not be as smart as you since they all have Teague over Hill. Maybe you should get a GM job since you are smarter.. Hill might be a better defernder but Hill is not anywhere near a great defender. Teague hasmade all star games. .Indiana is going be really good this year. The starting lineup is very good. They are a much more potent team with Teague running the show then Hill was. Just watch and see Mr. GM
 
Teague and Hill aren't even able to be compared. Their skill sets are way too different. I view them as pretty equal value overall, but definitely prefer Hill for the Jazz team. He fits the defensive identity and length they've set up across the board, and he adds some much needed shooting. Most attractive is that he adds to the flexibility of the roster and lineups because he can seemingly mesh with any current or potential players and lineups on the Jazz, along with being able to find his role in any specific scheme or game plan. Clearly he is superior to Teague in this aspect.

Indiana feels they need more playmaking from their point guard position. Teague certainly provides more of that than Hill. Hopefully it works for them. Ellis may have to be lobotomized or sent to the bench however. Too bad they have him. Their defense will be worse for sure tho.
 
#bern said:
One of [MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] ideas on how to improve the team, until he sucked in the finals and dude started deleting his posts. Typical of him.
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Is this true? He thinks his opinions on a message board are so important that he adjusts the record after the fact? Wow.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Well coaches and media who watch the game must not be as smart as you since they all have Teague over Hill. Maybe you should get a GM job since you are smarter.. Hill might be a better defernder but Hill is not anywhere near a great defender. Teague hasmade all star games. .Indiana is going be really good this year. The starting lineup is very good. They are a much more potent team with Teague running the show then Hill was. Just watch and see Mr. GM
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What media?

I've seen what Zach Lowe and Nate Duncan have to say...both nationally known. Danny Chau. Just to name a few...they all like Hill better.
 
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