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Some props for DL from SI - NBA free agency: Winners and losers

It's not dumb. I'm used to the idea, I know the Jazz will keep him because that's what they do. But I'll still speak out against it because it's a massive mistake. I want this team to win championships. I don't care about just getting to the playoffs anymore. I've seen dozens of playoff trips in my lifetime. Getting there means nothing. Winning it all does. You won't win it all by paying a third or fourth best player on a championship level team max money when you don't have that #1 or #2 guy. You just won't. Period. This team won't win a title with Hayward on the max. It won't happen.

That may very well be the case, but I know they'll keep going on that treadmill if they trade their best players for the opportunity to draft Jaylen ****ing Brown or Jamal Murray. IMO, Hayward is better than a bunch of the guys who just got paid. I'd rather pay Gordon Hayward max money than Harrison Barnes or Mike Conley. DeRozan and Hayward are close. If Gordon will sign for what DeRozan did, then it's still better to keep him.
 
Different times. Different rules. This roster would take out that team in the way the game is officiated today. This team is much better shooting and passing. Ostertag started on that team. Thats all you'd need to say.
Bro, I'm all about getting on this hype train and I'm excited about seeing this team next season as much as the next guy, but c'mon, get a grip. This group of players has yet to play a single game together, has never won a single playoff game, and you're already proclaiming them as the best Jazz team ever, better than the Stockton/Malone teams that won the most regular season games in the 90's and went to 2 NBA Finals? Wow.
 
Bro, I'm all about getting on this hype train and I'm excited about seeing this team next season as much as the next guy, but c'mon, get a grip. This group of players has yet to play a single game together, has never won a single playoff game, and you're already proclaiming them as the best Jazz team ever, better than the Stockton/Malone teams that won the most regular season games in the 90's and went to 2 NBA Finals? Wow.
You're confusing what I'm saying. I'm saying the roster next year is better then the roster from 98. This team makeup has more versatility and height then any other roster Utah has ever had.

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You're confusing what I'm saying. I'm saying the roster next year is better then the roster from 98. This team makeup has more versatility and height then any other roster Utah has ever had.

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LOL WTF you say? Now I know idiot like crappy surf never insult jazz but you are even more the fool. Best roster ever? LOL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFLLOLOLOL
 
I love Jazz. I love them so much, but when Jazz mania strike it on this board it is beyond the crazy imagination of any man. I am excite to see this one team, but be real we are so happy just to be 4th. we max hayward, we lose two core to do it, we mediocre for next 5 years with midling draft picks. this our reality.
 
You're confusing what I'm saying. I'm saying the roster next year is better then the roster from 98. This team makeup has more versatility and height then any other roster Utah has ever had.

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Give Stockton and Malone this roster in 97, 98, and we have two championships.
 
That may very well be the case, but I know they'll keep going on that treadmill if they trade their best players for the opportunity to draft Jaylen ****ing Brown or Jamal Murray. IMO, Hayward is better than a bunch of the guys who just got paid. I'd rather pay Gordon Hayward max money than Harrison Barnes or Mike Conley. DeRozan and Hayward are close. If Gordon will sign for what DeRozan did, then it's still better to keep him.

The funny part about this is that the actual treadmill move would be resigning Hayward. They re-signed Millsap and ruined a similar rebuild. Before that, they paid too much for AK and limited their rebuilding oppurtunities. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We've been down this path of overpaying decent players and it results in failure everytime. The issue isn't Hayward, it's the situation. In an ideal world we would keep Hayward. Great guy, good player, the type of guy you want on your team. But in the current situation you can't keep him and win. There is no path with him on a max deal that ends well. Because you have to pay Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood right after him. Go through the scenarios. Who do you lose because of his contract effecting cap space? How do you improve with no cap room and poor draft picks? Most importantly, where do you find your star?

Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray might not be stars. Personally I would have taken Boston up on the #3 pick to take Buddy Hield. I do think he'll be a star. But whether anyone we could have taken at #3 would or would not have been the star we need is irrelevant. The key thing we gain from trading Hayward is just as valuable, time. Time can be everything. With Hayward's massive contract not in our way we can resign Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood without touching the cap. And we would still be competitive. If the #3 pick hits and is a star, we are perennial championship contenders. If not, we bought ourselves several years to find that star.
 
The funny part about this is that the actual treadmill move would be resigning Hayward. They re-signed Millsap and ruined a similar rebuild. Before that, they paid too much for AK and limited their rebuilding oppurtunities. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We've been down this path of overpaying decent players and it results in failure everytime. The issue isn't Hayward, it's the situation. In an ideal world we would keep Hayward. Great guy, good player, the type of guy you want on your team. But in the current situation you can't keep him and win. There is no path with him on a max deal that ends well. Because you have to pay Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood right after him. Go through the scenarios. Who do you lose because of his contract effecting cap space? How do you improve with no cap room and poor draft picks? Most importantly, where do you find your star?

Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray might not be stars. Personally I would have taken Boston up on the #3 pick to take Buddy Hield. I do think he'll be a star. But whether anyone we could have taken at #3 would or would not have been the star we need is irrelevant. The key thing we gain from trading Hayward is just as valuable, time. Time can be everything. With Hayward's massive contract not in our way we can resign Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood without touching the cap. And we would still be competitive. If the #3 pick hits and is a star, we are perennial championship contenders. If not, we bought ourselves several years to find that star.
So you think Hield would be the star to get the Jazz over the championship hump, a far bigger star than Gordon lol. Ok
 
So you think Hield would be the star to get the Jazz over the championship hump, a far bigger star than Gordon lol. Ok

Not what I said at all. Read my post. Reading comprehension is poor on the internet these days. Yes, I believe Hield has a chance to be a star in the NBA. He's an elite prospect when it comes to scoring. Better than Hayward? Who knows. We'll see. But whether he became a star or not isn't the point of the trade. The point is to save your young core and give yourself time to find a star player. If that star player was that #3 pick, perfect.
 
The funny part about this is that the actual treadmill move would be resigning Hayward. They re-signed Millsap and ruined a similar rebuild. Before that, they paid too much for AK and limited their rebuilding oppurtunities. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We've been down this path of overpaying decent players and it results in failure everytime. The issue isn't Hayward, it's the situation. In an ideal world we would keep Hayward. Great guy, good player, the type of guy you want on your team. But in the current situation you can't keep him and win. There is no path with him on a max deal that ends well. Because you have to pay Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood right after him. Go through the scenarios. Who do you lose because of his contract effecting cap space? How do you improve with no cap room and poor draft picks? Most importantly, where do you find your star?

Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray might not be stars. Personally I would have taken Boston up on the #3 pick to take Buddy Hield. I do think he'll be a star. But whether anyone we could have taken at #3 would or would not have been the star we need is irrelevant. The key thing we gain from trading Hayward is just as valuable, time. Time can be everything. With Hayward's massive contract not in our way we can resign Gobert, Favors, Exum and Hood without touching the cap. And we would still be competitive. If the #3 pick hits and is a star, we are perennial championship contenders. If not, we bought ourselves several years to find that star.

Buddy Hield a star? Can't wait to remind you you said this in 2-3 years.
 
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