New 2017-2018 capspace projections: 102M

[stitches]

How will the max for Hayward and Gobert be lower going forward? The cap is still going up, just not as much as first thought. Max contracts will still go up with the rising cap.

Lower than previously expected. His salary won't start based on 108M, but on 102M salary cap.

 

[tyklug2013]

I really hope that Hayward takes the unselfish approach and either takes less money, or takes a front-loaded contract where we get the highest salary out of the way first, making room to extend the rest of the bunch in the following years.

We just have to show him what we've built and how we can contend with the core that we have. I think he cares about this team and its success, I think he wants to be a part of a successful future here. He could do it.

 

[Miggs]

But contracts also go down because they are a percentage of what the cap is. It will only slightly effect the people who threw around money this Summer maybe projecting the cap would be around 108 million. The Jazz did not do that.

I understand. I was wondering whether the differential in what those presumed max deals for Hayward, Favors and Gobert (hypothetically) combined will be compared to what they would have been at the originally higher projected cap would be more or less than 5M in total next season, the year after, and so on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I really hope that Hayward takes the unselfish approach and either takes less money, or takes a front-loaded contract where we get the highest salary out of the way first, making room to extend the rest of the bunch in the following years.

We just have to show him what we've built and how we can contend with the core that we have. I think he cares about this team and its success, I think he wants to be a part of a successful future here. He could do it.

Lmao. Or he could just take the max from Boston, play in the easier East, and still have a franchise who can build around him since they two future top 5 picks coming in from Boston.

You can't lowball Hayward.

 

[Miggs]

Lmao. Or he could just take the max from Boston, play in the easier East, and still have a franchise who can build around him since they two future top 5 picks coming in from Boston.

You can't lowball Hayward.

The grass is not always greener and it wouldn't be lowballing if Lindsey has a professional and honest discussion with him about what they're building and about the small financial sacrifice that would help in being able to keep that core (a core that seems very tight mind you) together for a long time.

 

[tyklug2013]

Lmao. Or he could just take the max from Boston, play in the easier East, and still have a franchise who can build around him since they two future top 5 picks coming in from Boston.

You can't lowball Hayward.

I'm not saying to lowball him. I'm in the sign Hayward at all costs camp. I was when he was an RFA, and stuck with it when Charlotte offered him a max.

I'm just saying that I hope DL talks to him seriously about helping us out so we can extend the rest of the core. If he wants more cash, then give it to him. But you have to at least talk to him about it.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Lmao. Or he could just take the max from Boston, play in the easier East, and still have a franchise who can build around him since they two future top 5 picks coming in from Boston.

You can't lowball Hayward.

I agree that you can't lowball Gordon. He deserves max (or near max) money from the Jazz. My hope is that he'll take a deal similar to the 5 year contract signed by DeMar DeRozan and Mike Conley. Slightly less than the full max he could get from Utah, but significantly more than he could get on a 4 year deal from someone else.

 

[Miggs]

At the new projected cap, what is the Max he can make in year one (next season) based on his number of years and the CBA? 28M?

 

[Coach Ellis]

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16859143/nba-salary-cap-projection-2017-18-season-lower-expected

An interesting piece of news that might be important for Utah's next year free agency came up in the last several days - the newest projection for next year's cap is DOWN to 102M(from 107-108M earlier).

This would mean two things
1. fewer teams will have capspace to offer max to Hayward.
2. the max for Hayward AND Gobert will be lower going forward

I feel like BOTH of those pieces of news are good for the Jazz.

An interesting thing to consider also is if two years of spending like drunken sailors by NBA owners (because next offseason will be nuts compared to this past offseason) will cause even further downward projections of the salary cap? Could it be that frugal, draft oriented teams will see an advantage here again in the near future?

 

[jope]

I disagree.
If we get Hayward for less dollars and then the cap goes up his dollars stay the same. Contact is better.
If we get Hayward for more dollars and the cap goes down then his dollars stay the same. Contact is worse.

yet you can still refer to his deal as 25% of the total, and the next year his deal is 20%. and then the cap goes down and hes at 30%.

IMO its much easier to maintain then trying to see what 22 million of 119 million is.

 

[jope]

Except the percentage is not static. The deals being signed today are expecting a tremendous increase in the salary cap. If that increase isn't as large the "percentage" of the non max contracts jumps considerably. If you are targeting percentage, you might end up boned.

never said it was. infact they are the same metric, using different descriptors. Its just easier (IMO) to digest these "monopoly money" figures when as a noted as a representation of the whole. see above

 

[fishonjazz]

yet you can still refer to his deal as 25% of the total, and the next year his deal is 20%. and then the cap goes down and hes at 30%.

IMO its much easier to maintain then trying to see what 22 million of 119 million is.

I like looking at dollar amount cause it's easier to compare with other players.
Like two players might have the same max contract (% wise) but be getting paid different amounts.