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Can/Will Lyles make Favors expendable?

LoPo said:
This has been an excellent conversation fellas. Well done with all of the points made here.
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Agreed. A good read.
 
green said:
If (Lyles) can up his three point % to 40% and his FG to 52% and keep his FT around 85%...then give him 12 shots a night, 3 3pt attempts, and 4 FT's...look at these numbers:

pts off 3's: 3.6
pts off 2's: 9.4
Pts off FT's: 3.4

Total pts: 16.4 pts. Off 12-14 shots. That's crazy.

Favors gives you 16 pts off 15-19 shots a game. Lyles could potentially give you the same amount of points with an extra 1-5 possessions a game.
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LULZ. You can't make this **** up. Favors scored 16.4 points on 13.1 shots per game last year which is exactly what you said would be "crazy" if Lyles did as if Favors couldn't do it. Which he can. 'Cause he did. Genius.
 
Ellis269 said:
The Gobert/Favors front court pairing is unique in all of basketball. No other team comes close the the rim protection those two together provide. Instead of trying to break that up, the Jazz should be looking at finding ways to make it more effective on the offensive end.

Adding improved shooting to the perimeter (a more consistent Hood, healthy Burks, and adding George Hill and Joe Johnson all help in that endeavor) as well as better PG play and savvy vets to allow for more creativity in the scheme.

If everyone does the same thing, it makes it easier to defend. The trick is trying to deal with the outliers. The defensive dominance of a healthy Favors and Gobert is an outlier that needs to be utilized.
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Yep, people seem to be obsessed with the idea that we absolutely must have spacing from the pf spot. That's all fine and dandy, but good luck finding someone who's as good defensively as Favors. Otherwise, you're sacrificing defense to improve the offense.

Instead, how about just surrounding Favors and Rudy with better shooters? There's more than one way to skin a cat, and Utah can improve their spacing without sacrificing defense.
 
The last few years, elite playoff teams run lineups where one guy is on the court who is the grunt work guy and the other 4 guys can shoot the 3 or very deep range in LA's case.

GS: Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Iggy and Draymond or Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Draymond and Bogut.

SA: Parker, Green, Kawhi, LA and Duncan or Parker, Manu, Green, Kawhi and LA.

Cleveland: Kyrie, Smith, LBJ, Tristan and Love or Kyrie, Smith, Jefferson, LBJ and Tristan

OKC: RW, Waiters, Robertson, KD and Adams - they did play Adams and Kanter together, but I think they are an outlier because they haven't done it successfully long enough and they are the only team with 2 superstar ball handler scorers.

Against those lineups in the playoffs, I feel like Favors and Gobert will struggle on both ends of the court. A guy like Tristan (with zero offense) can exist because everybody else can shoot AND he can guard perimeter guys pretty well for his size. I feel like Gobert will be our Tristan Thompson in the upcoming playoffs. It could be Favors, but Gobert is just a freak athletically with that length. He's truly a unicorn. For most of the playoffs when it gets to crunch time next to those small lineups, I think our lineup will be: Exum/Hill, Hood/Hill, Hayward/Hood, Hayward/Favors/Lyles, Gobert/Favors.

If that becomes the case, I could see us trading Favors. It all depends on how people are used this season and the next playoffs. If Favors becomes our equivalent of Love, I think he's gone. Love played pretty well for Cleveland in a couple games, and for Cleveland's roster, lack of flexibility and intent to spend whatever it takes, he might stick there. If we had the same situation with Favors (good player but doesn't help us as much in crunch time), I think we would trade him because we have more roster flexibility and we can't spend into the luxury.

This year is so massive for us in so many ways. Not only potential, but what do we do from here....
 
LoPo said:
The last few years, elite playoff teams run lineups where one guy is on the court who is the grunt work guy and the other 4 guys can shoot the 3 or very deep range in LA's case.

GS: Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Iggy and Draymond or Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Draymond and Bogut.

SA: Parker, Green, Kawhi, LA and Duncan or Parker, Manu, Green, Kawhi and LA.

Cleveland: Kyrie, Smith, LBJ, Tristan and Love or Kyrie, Smith, Jefferson, LBJ and Tristan

OKC: RW, Waiters, Robertson, KD and Adams - they did play Adams and Kanter together, but I think they are an outlier because they haven't done it successfully long enough and they are the only team with 2 superstar ball handler scorers.

Against those lineups in the playoffs, I feel like Favors and Gobert will struggle on both ends of the court. A guy like Tristan (with zero offense) can exist because everybody else can shoot AND he can guard perimeter guys pretty well for his size. I feel like Gobert will be our Tristan Thompson in the upcoming playoffs. It could be Favors, but Gobert is just a freak athletically with that length. He's truly a unicorn. For most of the playoffs when it gets to crunch time next to those small lineups, I think our lineup will be: Exum/Hill, Hood/Hill, Hayward/Hood, Hayward/Favors/Lyles, Gobert/Favors.

If that becomes the case, I could see us trading Favors. It all depends on how people are used this season and the next playoffs. If Favors becomes our equivalent of Love, I think he's gone. Love played pretty well for Cleveland in a couple games, and for Cleveland's roster, lack of flexibility and intent to spend whatever it takes, he might stick there. If we had the same situation with Favors (good player but doesn't help us as much in crunch time), I think we would trade him because we have more roster flexibility and we can't spend into the luxury.

This year is so massive for us in so many ways. Not only potential, but what do we do from here....
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Except the Jazz, as currently constructed are long, versatile, and can defend. No other team really has that because it is really hard to build. Just having legitimate NBA players 8 or 9 deep is going to be a new experience for us and will likely hide whatever offensive issues we experienced with a Gobert-Favors frontcourt. We have never really had the ability (for years anyway) to kick the ball out to an open guy who can hit the catch and shoot 3 at 40%. We have 5 of those guys (Burks, Johnson, Ingles, Lyles, and Hill with Hood trending that way) now. The paint is about to become a whole lot less crowded that we are used to. That will be good for Burks as well.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
LULZ. You can't make this **** up. Favors scored 16.4 points on 13.1 shots per game last year which is exactly what you said would be "crazy" if Lyles did as if Favors couldn't do it. Which he can. 'Cause he did. Genius.
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So Favors didn't shoot the ball when he took free throws?

You should think before you speak. Cause you look dumb.
 
Favors is still our starter but Snyder absolutely has to find a way to get Lyles the minutes he needs on our new and improved/deeper roster. As Jazz fans, have we ever seen a Jazz player have a better summer league? I can't remember even being close to this impressed with an individual performance in SL.

And the sad truth is, as retaining core players becomes more challenging for the Jazz in the next few seasons, Favors becomes a very likely sacrifice. Gotta keep this momentum with Lyles. Dude may have more offensive explosion potential than anybody on our roster.
 
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