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Would Hayward take less than the max?

Boris said:
What are the terms? How are you going to prove all max deals are created equal? How can I prove they are not? Dollar figure divided by cap seems reasonable but this place proves to be unreasonable.

Do you agree to that term alone? Dollar figure / Cap. Including cap escalation? I.E. Parsons max not equivalent to Hayward 30% max next year?
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I'm not an expert in the cap. You claimed Hayward will not get a max deal. I'm saying teams will be willing to pay him what is essentially max money. Maybe if someone else chimes in with some max clarification, but bottom line, I'm saying that if the Jazz give him as much as or more than any other team could have given him then he essentially got the max, even if the Jazz could have given him more. And if the headlines are that Hayward got a max deal, then I'm calling that a max deal.

So not just a straight $/cap percentage most likely because teams could get creative. If over the life of the deal his $/cap/years is within a couple percentage points of the max I'd say I win.

Don't forget I'm taking all the injury risk here, so I want some wiggle room on what the max is.
 
kabenac said:
Missing the point. My point is Hayward doesn't deserve the max. Still angry as hell, I see. They have medicine for that. And shock therapy.
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I get your point. It's silly. 85% of the guys who get a max aren't deserving of it. And more often than not, it doesn't screw a team financially.
 
Gameface said:
I'm not an expert in the cap. You claimed Hayward will not get a max deal. I'm saying teams will be willing to pay him what is essentially max money. Maybe if someone else chimes in with some max clarification, but bottom line, I'm saying that if the Jazz give him as much as or more than any other team could have given him then he essentially got the max, even if the Jazz could have given him more. And if the headlines are that Hayward got a max deal, then I'm calling that a max deal.

So not just a straight $/cap percentage most likely because teams could get creative. If over the life of the deal his $/cap/years is within a couple percentage points of the max I'd say I win.

Don't forget I'm taking all the injury risk here, so I want some wiggle room on what the max is.
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Lol at boris actually putting money where his mouth is and actually paying up when he loses.
We all know that Hayward will be getting the max after seeing players who preformed much worse than Hayward (barnes) and players that were injured and not as good as hayward (parsons) get maxed.

It's obvious that Hayward will get a max deal. It's also obvious that boris is a troll who would never pay up.
Because we know he will never pay up you are definitely the one taking all the risk with the actual bet.... But then again there is no chance that Hayward doesn't get offered a max deal so there really isn't any risk for you I guess.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol at boris actually putting money where his mouth is and actually paying up when he loses.
We all know that Hayward will be getting the max after seeing players who preformed much worse than Hayward (barnes) and players that were injured and not as good as hayward (parsons) get maxed.

It's obvious that Hayward will get a max deal. It's also obvious that boris is a troll who would never pay up.
Because we know he will never pay up you are definitely the one taking all the risk with the actual bet.... But then again there is no chance that Hayward doesn't get offered a max deal so there really isn't any risk for you I guess.
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We;re going to both send the money via paypal to a third party who will hand it over to the winner once it's settled.
 
The old Michael Scott "Win, Win Win" scenario:

Jazz offer Hayward the absolute max possible = Hayward feels appreciated and wanted, ego is massaged, and Mark Bartlestein doesn't feel slighted

Hayward comes back saying he wants to take less than the absolute max to help team keep core together or bring in more talent = Team keeps core in tact, team chemistry goes through the roof and Hayward's status/relationship with the fans and the community is enhanced and solidified...
 
margodydek said:
The old Michael Scott "Win, Win Win" scenario:

Jazz offer Hayward the absolute max possible = Hayward feels appreciated and wanted, ego is massaged, and Mark Bartlestein doesn't feel slighted

Hayward comes back saying he wants to take less than the absolute max to help team keep core together or bring in more talent = Team keeps core in tact, team chemistry goes through the roof and Hayward's status/relationship with the fans and the community is enhanced and solidified...
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= his teammates then following his lead and doing the same by taking a discount.
 
Gameface said:
We;re going to both send the money via paypal to a third party who will hand it over to the winner once it's settled.
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Im highly skeptical that boris is gonna send anyone any money.
 
fishonjazz said:
Im highly skeptical that boris is gonna send anyone any money.
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I agree.

He was already saying there's no way Hayward gets the max and now he wants to dicker on what that means, like if hayward gets 95% of the max I lose. BS, either Hayward isn't in max territory or he is. Obviously he is and if Boris actually puts up his money I'm gonna get paid.
 
fishonjazz said:
We all know that Hayward will be getting the max after seeing players who preformed much worse than Hayward (barnes) and players that were injured and not as good as hayward (parsons) get maxed.
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Unless Hayward ends up taking a lesser role this upcoming season. With the new additions, it is not impossible for him to average 16 or even 15 points per game. And with numbers like those, if he shoots in the lower 40s, teams may not be so willing to offer him the max. That being said, I think he'll average 18, though.
 
ghsartin said:
Unless Hayward ends up taking a lesser role this upcoming season. With the new additions, it is not impossible for him to average 16 or even 15 points per game. And with numbers like those, if he shoots in the lower 40s, teams may not be so willing to offer him the max. That being said, I think he'll average 18, though.
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True.
 
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