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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: silesian vs. Siro

Who would win in a 7 game series?


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Elizah Huge

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Team silesian:

PG - Oscar Robertson / Mo Cheeks
SG - Julius Erving / John Havlicek
SF - Kawhi Leonard / Bobby Jones
PF - Anthony Davis / Karl-Anthony Towns
C - Moses Malone / Bill Walton

Team Siro:

PG - Steph Curry / Russell Westbrook
SG - Jerry West / Joe Dumars
SF - Grant Hill / Carmelo Anthony
PF - Charles Barkley / Shawn Kemp
C - Pau Gasol / Robert Parrish

silesian's Case:

The Team Silesian concept is to create a unique combination of players who are elite defenders, each a 2-way player, including excellent scorers and proven championship winners. I have avoided elite scores who are defensive liabilities, especially important a competition where every team is stocked with talent to exploit defensive holes. Similarly, I have no one-dimensional defenders with few offensive skills. On offense we have scorers and shooters, and the strategy will be driven by ball movement and high assist rates. We also have go-to scorers if we need late game iso (Dr J, Oscar, the Brow). The team is filled with selfless team players and winners.

Moses Malone/ Bill Walton: No need to say much about my 2 MVP centers who are prepared to dominate : defensively powerful Moses (3 MVPs) and rim-protecting Walton (3.6 BPG in MVP & championship year).

Anthony Davis/ Karl-Anthony Towns: At the four, I going to rely heavily on 2014 Anthony Davis, an elite player in 2014 season, fourth in scoring, first in blocks and eight in rebounding, his 30.8 PER is the fourth highest season of all time (higher than the best from Shaq, Kareem, Barkley, Karl Malone, etc.). He is backed up by uber-talented KAT in a limited role.

Kawhi Leonard/ Bobby Jones: At the SF are 2 freak athletes and elite defenders. Everyone knows about Kawhi (including his 44% 3-point shooting), but Bobby is fast, quick, explosive and tenacious. Remembered for extraordinary defense (10X first team defense), he was automatic from 15-18 feet. With elite versatility, Kawhi and Bobby will take on top defensive assignments in 1-4.

Julius Erving/ John Havlicek Dr J is consensus top 20 and Hondo top 30 of all-time. I won’t waste time on legendary Dr J, sixth all-time leading scorer and all-around great. Havlicek is less well known to the younger crowd and worth noting that he was a linchpin of the Celtics 1960s-70s dynasty. A 6-5 athletic guard with amazing skill and length, he was 8X all defense team. Hall of fame NBA writer ranked him 22nd, one spot ahead of Pippen and wrote: “Think of a slightly shorter version of Pippen, just as versatile, just as indefatigable and a better scorer. Oh yeah, he has eight rings”

Oscar Robertson/ Mo Cheeks: At his peak, Big O was a force of nature: In 1961-2: #1 APG, #3 PPG, #8 RPG (reference: 2016 LeBron is ranked 8/5/37). You can find him on any credible top 10 NBA all-time player list. Mo Cheeks is an elite all-time perimeter defender, all-defense for 5 consecutive years, fifth all-time in steals, 12th all-time assists.

Close your eyes and imagine trying to score on this team. Beat your man (um, good luck with that), penetrate through a maze of long, athletic wings (no problem, they’ll let you pass), then shoot over all-defense rim protectors. And with the middle and deep lane permanently clogged, this allows hyper-aggressive perimeter play, shutting down the long ball. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I’ll give you more on offensive system and philosophy during a later round. With the 6th, 7th 12th and 15th all-time leading scorers (Julius, Moses, Oscar, Hondo) combined with today’s elite of Kawhi and the Brow, it should be pretty clear Team Silesian has both shooters and scorers who can compete and beat the field.

The match-up with Siro is pretty clear and Team Silesian has superior defense, more elite 2-way players and championship success. Silesian has 5 MVPs, 8 Champions (C) and 8 All-league defenders (D)
Siro has 2 MVPs, 6 Champions (C) and 2 All-league defenders (D)


Silesian
Moses Malone ...MVP (3)...C... D
Julius Erving ...MVP...C...D
John Havlicek ...MVP...C...D
Bill Walton ...MVP...C...D
Oscar Robertson MVP...C
Kawhi Leonard ...C...D
Mo Cheeks ...C...D
Bobby Jones ...C...D
Anthony Davis ...D
KAT

Siro
Stephen Curry ...MVP...C
Russell Westbrook
Jerry West ...C...D
Joe Dumars ...C...D
Grant Hill
Carmelo Anthony
Shawn Kemp
Charles Barkley ...MVP
Pau Gasol ...C
Robert Parish ...C

Siro’s has offensive talent concentrated at the 1 & 4. My strategy is to hawk Curry/ Westbrook with a combination of Kawhi, Cheeks, & Jones. Complemented by elite defense at the wing and elite rim protectors, we will effectively counter these prolific scorers. And expect the Brow’s length and athleticism to make Sir Charles work hard for points with diminished efficiency. He will have few offensive boards available given Team Silesian’s significant length advantage, including rebounding bigs/ wings/guards. Siro has only two all-defense players, both SGs (West & Dumars), so D at Siro’s 1/3/4/5 are in the average to very-good range with exploitable weaknesses.

Siro's Case:

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Woah, silesian's team is weird. It would be kind of sweet to see them play.

Anyway, I'm probably in the minority, but I'll take silesian's team. They can't space the floor worth ****, but that defense should be super athletic. They're gonna score by abusing Curry and West down low, and on offensive boards. The three-point disparity will be historical, but so will the difference in rebounding (despite Barkley's best efforts).

Silesian's team just requires too much imagination due to how untraditional it is. Probably not a smart way to go in this competition. It also doesn't help that Siro has a superior playmaker at each position. I'm just betting on silesian's defense to stop them from being able to make plays.

Btw, I'm super biased against Curry and the 'Dubs'
 
Also please note that Team Silesian has four players from the 1983-4 fo-fo-fo championship Sixers, who blew through the playoffs 12-1 including a sweep of the Magic/ Kareem Lakers. They have built-in team fit and team chemistry.
 
Woah, silesian's team is weird. It would be kind of sweet to see them play.

Anyway, I'm probably in the minority, but I'll take silesian's team. They can't space the floor worth ****, but that defense should be super athletic. They're gonna score by abusing Curry and West down low, and on offensive boards. The three-point disparity will be historical, but so will the difference in rebounding (despite Barkley's best efforts).

Silesian's team just requires too much imagination due to how untraditional it is. Probably not a smart way to go in this competition. It also doesn't help that Siro has a superior playmaker at each position. I'm just betting on silesian's defense to stop them from being able to make plays.

Btw, I'm super biased against Curry and the 'Dubs'

Thanks, good take. My view is that every team has an abundance of scorers and therefore a key differentiator that creates wins would be defense. I believe that is reality, the vote will be what it will be, it is all in fun.

3-point disparity will be interesting, since Kawhi will knock them down outside shots easily over the round mound, Cheeks was a great shooter back when folks did not shoot the three, and Siro will have length and athleticism hawking the perimeter, so his 3P FG % will be much lower than normal.

A few thoughts on superior playmaking. Sure, Barkley is a great best offensive 4, but look at the dominant year from the Brow (statistically better than Chuck's best). And Moses/ Walton is overall much better offensively than Gasol/Parrish -- they should dominate in almost every aspect. And Curry is awesome, but better than the big O? And net offensively I think Dr J> Jerry West.

I appreciate your take.
 
Going silesian, I'd start Walton over Moses though. Walton was a beast.

I don't disagree Walton was probably the better player overall but his career was so short and he had one MVP to what I think was three MVP's by Malone.
 
Although Hondo was an all-time great, HOFer and all-time Celtics leading scorer, he may be less well known to some, so here is a link for convenience

Click on the thumbnail to see his amazing wingspan that helped make him the lockdown and team defender of his era.
 

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Should have traded Walton to me if you weren't going to start him.

Silesian has one of teams you would hate to play against no matter how talented you are.
 
Should have traded Walton to me if you weren't going to start him.

Silesian has one of teams you would hate to play against no matter how talented you are.

Gonna pound opposing centers into the ground for 48 minutes, Walton will have lots of playing time. And optionality to make a mid-series adjustment.

You can see why I was pi$$ed that you took Moncrief the pick before me -- I'd have 9 all-league defenders and the first and last DPOY.
 
I like silesian's better. Big O is a big steal and he also god dang nailed Kawhi -how the heck did he do that- so overall silesian's looks to hold the upper hand.
 
I like silesian's better. Big O is a big steal and he also god dang nailed Kawhi -how the heck did he do that- so overall silesian's looks to hold the upper hand.

Thanks. Oscar was not part of my draft strategy, I was targeting Garnett (then Pippen) at 18 [obvious fit with my strategy], but when they went just ahead, I was happy to take the Big O.
 
Wow, I thought Siro would dominate this.

I agree that Siro has a great team. Even if you think his offense is slightly better than mine, it is possible that Team Silesian's defense is a force of nature that would offset any small scoring advantage.
 
I agree that Siro has a great team. Even if you think his offense is slightly better than mine, it is possible that Team Silesian's defense is a force of nature that would offset any small scoring advantage.
Are we pretending that Anthony Davis has proven to be a good NBA defender?

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Are we pretending that Anthony Davis has proven to be a good NBA defender?

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I consider AD to be a good defender
 
He is really average.

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That's fine if it's your opinion.
He was the defensive player of the year in college. Led the nba in blocks in 14, and 15, and was on the all nba defensive team in 2015.

I think he is a good defender
 
Are we pretending that Anthony Davis has proven to be a good NBA defender?

Beyond just watching him play......

He was all-NBA second team defense in 2014-5, led the league in blocks once, fourth another time. Like advanced stats? His DRPM in 2014-5 was second among PFs, 7th in the league.

So the answer is "no" we are not pretending, and "yes" he is an excellent defender.
 
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