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Hayward may be crunched by this year's spending

Well... What happens is half those guys resign with their own teams so those teams don't need cap space to sign their own guys. Teams can clear cap space pretty easily if they want to... The picture now is different than the picture will be in 11 months.

That said Hayward will get the 4 year max from someone or a close to 5 year max from us. He may relent in some of the raises on a five year deal. Hill may find it a little tough sledding because he will want starter money and there are so few teams without a pg or pg prospect plus the fact that 4 stud pg prospects will be coming through the draft.

I think we are set up well to retain Hayward and hill if we don't get cheap.
 
Ellis269 said:
It's funny that everybody set themselves up to be studs as free agents in 2017 and then 2016 is the year that the owners spend like drunken sailors.
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The max guys will still do much better by waiting the year though.
 
framer said:
Boston can offer 1 max. Hayward plus Horford plus Smart is not a better situation that what he has now, nor does it make Boston anywhere close to a contender. If Boston is actually looking to shoot the moon, they will be looking further upriver than Hayward. Hayward to Boston because of a coach Hayward played 2 years for is kind of ridiculous.
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You're right, Hayward being one of the best players in the league is a much better reason.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Well... What happens is half those guys resign with their own teams so those teams don't need cap space to sign their own guys. Teams can clear cap space pretty easily if they want to... The picture now is different than the picture will be in 11 months.

That said Hayward will get the 4 year max from someone or a close to 5 year max from us. He may relent in some of the raises on a five year deal. Hill may find it a little tough sledding because he will want starter money and there are so few teams without a pg or pg prospect plus the fact that 4 stud pg prospects will be coming through the draft.

I think we are set up well to retain Hayward and hill if we don't get cheap.
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Yes, but the 12 "with cap space" often includes teams with free agents or with cap holds. If those teams resign their free agents, it takes a free agent off the market, but it also takes them out of the running for another free agent. Additionally, it will be harder to "create cap space" because only 12 teams can possibly absorb more than 12 million in bad contracts.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You're right, Hayward being one of the best players in the league is a much better reason.
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Understood, but Hayward doesn't move the needle that far for them by himself. They desperately need someone like Westbrook. They may even get Westbrook according to rumors. Westbrook to Boston makes Hayward a GREAT fit there, but then they no longer have the money for Hayward.
 
I think a lot depends on how things turn out this season as to what Hayward will do. Another underachieving year and he probably will leave.
 
framer said:
Understood, but Hayward doesn't move the needle that far for them by himself. They desperately need someone like Westbrook. They may even get Westbrook according to rumors. Westbrook to Boston makes Hayward a GREAT fit there, but then they no longer have the money for Hayward.
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The **** are you talking about? A max player moves the needle for everyone. He'd immediately be the second-best player on that team. Maybe even better.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The **** are you talking about? A max player moves the needle for everyone. He'd immediately be the second-best player on that team. Maybe even better.
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He damn well better move the needle to contention because he is the last max player that they get. Does a Smart, Hayward, Horford team scare you even a little bit? Also, Hayward would be the best player on that team.
 
framer said:
He damn well better move the needle to contention because he is the last max player that they get. Does a Smart, Hayward, Horford team scare you even a little bit? Also, Hayward would be the best player on that team.
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Why do you keep including Smart like they are going to max Marcus Smart out?
 
And you are aware they have Brookyln's next two first round picks, both which are likely to be top 5 picks in both drafts. They might prefer a younger guy like Hayward who can still play at a high level as he ages with their younger potential stars.
 
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