Lets say Hayward walks.. How can they best damage control it?

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Chris Paul would be a monster in this system, his anticipation would constantly be on display.. He'd spearhead the defense and infuse a junk yard dog attitude that the team already has upfront..

Paul being ball dominant is inconsequential, there's no one on the court who deserves to have the ball more than him -- he gets players the ball in positions to succeed.

It's about countering Golden State, we've got the frontcourt in place to cause them issues already.. Minus Hayward, CP3 is how the backcourt can hang...

This is a good spot for him to ease up a bit, and lengthen his prime, instead of doing everything like the Clippers ask of him. Favors isn't Blake Griffin but he's damn good. Hood's 3pt shooting is the key. Burks is as good of a slasher as you could ask for, who also can pass and shoot, He and Hood both are capable of near 20ppg IMO. The 3 of them would be rather interchangeable defensively.


I assure you, you can look at ****loads of different scenarios but this is the best. This still leaves wiggle room for the FO to make great value signings to fill out the roster and they can continue to look for gems in the draft without much of a need in mind (one of the 1st rd picks should be a wing of some sort)

Lindsey's all in on Exum. We won't go for any type of starting level PG. It's why they traded for Hill over Teague.

 

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They shouldn't let it get to that point. And the crippling move would be to pay him the max. He's a 3rd or 4th best option on a championship contender and we have NONE of our core locked up long term. Re-signing him would probably cost us multiple other pieces of our core and/or kill all financial/roster flexibility that could be used in obtaining the player(s) that can put the bulk of this core into championship contention. Re-signing Hayward is not a championship winning path. Which is why I've been advocating a Hayward trade all off-season. DL has done a great job in the asset acquisition portion of this rebuild. The foundation of certain key pieces going forward is there. Now the key is to keep flexibility and as many of the assets as possible until the opportunity arises to get that star player to carry those key pieces to a championship level. Moving Hayward for good assets allows you to do that. Let's say they move him to Boston for example which I think would be a perfect trading partner because they have great assets and are dying for a player like Hayward right now. The best piece they could get back would be Brooklyn's 2017 1st rounder, likely a top 3-5 pick (could easily be #1), in a loaded draft.

Let's look at our future with that deal...
2017- Rudy is a free agent. They could easily sign him to the max, no issues.
The player selected with Brooklyn's pick would be under contract until 2021.
Decisions will need to be made on George Hill, Shelvin Mack, Boris Diaw, Joe Ingles and Tibor Pleiss. They will have room to keep any if they want too.

2018- Favors, Exum, Hood and Joe Johnson will all be free agents. If we kept Hayward, we would be in cap hell at this point. Weighing our options between likely going over the luxury tax or maybe letting one or two of these guys walk. But with that money available we have options. It's possible Favors, Hood and Exum could all be kept. Especially if we have found our star by then (whether that star be someone on the team already who broke out, the Brooklyn pick, or someone acquired via free agency or trade)

2019- Lyles and Burks will be free agents. It becomes hard to speculate what the team will look like at this point. But this path is much stronger than the one re-signing Hayward would be. It opens the door to keeping the bulk of our core. Gobert, Hood, Exum and Favors and/or Lyles could all be kept. Assets are maintained. Roster flexibility is kept. Financial flexibility is kept. We stay a solid team. And the organization buys itself precious time (2-3 years) to see if any of these young guys Hood, Exum, Lyles, Gobert or maybe the Brooklyn pick breaks out and carries us to another level. Time is everything. THIS is a possible championship path.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

They shouldn't let it get to that point. And the crippling move would be to pay him the max. He's a 3rd or 4th best option on a championship contender and we have NONE of our core locked up long term. Re-signing him would probably cost us multiple other pieces of our core and/or kill all financial/roster flexibility that could be used in obtaining the player(s) that can put the bulk of this core into championship contention. Re-signing Hayward is not a championship winning path. Which is why I've been advocating a Hayward trade all off-season. DL has done a great job in the asset acquisition portion of this rebuild. The foundation of certain key pieces going forward is there. Now the key is to keep flexibility and as many of the assets as possible until the opportunity arises to get that star player to carry those key pieces to a championship level. Moving Hayward for good assets allows you to do that. Let's say they move him to Boston for example which I think would be a perfect trading partner because they have great assets and are dying for a player like Hayward right now. The best piece they could get back would be Brooklyn's 2017 1st rounder, likely a top 3-5 pick (could easily be #1), in a loaded draft.

Let's look at our future with that deal...
2017- Rudy is a free agent. They could easily sign him to the max, no issues.
The player selected with Brooklyn's pick would be under contract until 2021.
Decisions will need to be made on George Hill, Shelvin Mack, Boris Diaw, Joe Ingles and Tibor Pleiss. They will have room to keep any if they want too.

2018- Favors, Exum, Hood and Joe Johnson will all be free agents. If we kept Hayward, we would be in cap hell at this point. Weighing our options between likely going over the luxury tax or maybe letting one or two of these guys walk. But with that money available we have options. It's possible Favors, Hood and Exum could all be kept. Especially if we have found our star by then (whether that star be someone on the team already who broke out, the Brooklyn pick, or someone acquired via free agency or trade)

2019- Lyles and Burks will be free agents. It becomes hard to speculate what the team will look like at this point. But this path is much stronger than the one re-signing Hayward would be. It opens the door to keeping the bulk of our core. Gobert, Hood, Exum and Favors and/or Lyles could all be kept. Assets are maintained. Roster flexibility is kept. Financial flexibility is kept. We stay a solid team. And the organization buys itself precious time (2-3 years) to see if any of these young guys Hood, Exum, Lyles, Gobert or maybe the Brooklyn pick breaks out and carries us to another level. Time is everything. THIS is a possible championship path.

So you're happy to just wait 3 more years to see if a star is born ..

 

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You can't trade Hayward for anything even coming close to his value. He's been playing out of position for years now. He's better than we give him credit for, which is incredibly ironic, because we over-rate every other Jazz player. Gobert, Hood, Burks...all worse than we give them credit for. Yet, we treat Hayward like he is some role player.

Ha ha.

You don't trade away players who average an eyelash under 20 points and have no issues with Utah. That's crazy talk. You do everything you can to make him happy.

 

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So you're happy to just wait 3 more years to see if a star is born ..

If it means a chance at a championship, YES. Hayward on a max deal does NOT help us get any closer to a title. At all.

 

[Game6Conley]

Lindsey's all in on Exum. We won't go for any type of starting level PG. It's why they traded for Hill over Teague.

I refuse to believe that. I'd have to say that'd be negligent and it's just posturing.

This figures to be the most legendary PG draft ever seen, no way Lindsey is turning a blind eye to other options just because of Exum.

 

[Game6Conley]

If Haywards walks, then you blow it up and start over again...sort of.

You trade Favors for the best you can get. You build around Exum and Gobert and maybe Hood. UNLESS Exum blows up. Then Exum steps into Hayward's role.

BUT, if Exum blew up, Hayward wouldn't leave.

If we end up 4 or 5, Hayward isn't going anywhere. Especially if Exum shows glimpses of an all star future.

Does this scenario involve firing Lindsey? He's just going to be here snowballing young assets and missing the playoffs?

 

[Game6Conley]

They shouldn't let it get to that point. And the crippling move would be to pay him the max. He's a 3rd or 4th best option on a championship contender and we have NONE of our core locked up long term. Re-signing him would probably cost us multiple other pieces of our core and/or kill all financial/roster flexibility that could be used in obtaining the player(s) that can put the bulk of this core into championship contention. Re-signing Hayward is not a championship winning path. Which is why I've been advocating a Hayward trade all off-season. DL has done a great job in the asset acquisition portion of this rebuild. The foundation of certain key pieces going forward is there. Now the key is to keep flexibility and as many of the assets as possible until the opportunity arises to get that star player to carry those key pieces to a championship level. Moving Hayward for good assets allows you to do that. Let's say they move him to Boston for example which I think would be a perfect trading partner because they have great assets and are dying for a player like Hayward right now. The best piece they could get back would be Brooklyn's 2017 1st rounder, likely a top 3-5 pick (could easily be #1), in a loaded draft.

Let's look at our future with that deal...
2017- Rudy is a free agent. They could easily sign him to the max, no issues.
The player selected with Brooklyn's pick would be under contract until 2021.
Decisions will need to be made on George Hill, Shelvin Mack, Boris Diaw, Joe Ingles and Tibor Pleiss. They will have room to keep any if they want too.

2018- Favors, Exum, Hood and Joe Johnson will all be free agents. If we kept Hayward, we would be in cap hell at this point. Weighing our options between likely going over the luxury tax or maybe letting one or two of these guys walk. But with that money available we have options. It's possible Favors, Hood and Exum could all be kept. Especially if we have found our star by then (whether that star be someone on the team already who broke out, the Brooklyn pick, or someone acquired via free agency or trade)

2019- Lyles and Burks will be free agents. It becomes hard to speculate what the team will look like at this point. But this path is much stronger than the one re-signing Hayward would be. It opens the door to keeping the bulk of our core. Gobert, Hood, Exum and Favors and/or Lyles could all be kept. Assets are maintained. Roster flexibility is kept. Financial flexibility is kept. We stay a solid team. And the organization buys itself precious time (2-3 years) to see if any of these young guys Hood, Exum, Lyles, Gobert or maybe the Brooklyn pick breaks out and carries us to another level. Time is everything. THIS is a possible championship path.

Appreciate the response but you must have not read the OP! This isn't about trading Hayward, this is about what to do if he walks!! Also I said to presume Rudy signs an extension after the Olympics.

 

[Game6Conley]

So you're happy to just wait 3 more years to see if a star is born ..

The Jazz will certainly get poached for talent in that sort of timeframe.

They better have the best scouts in the league, a GM who's ripping other teams off and plenty of luck in the draft if they want to win a championship this way.

The time for power moves is in the next 2 offseasons maximum, any talk beyond that is wishful thinking.

 

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Does this scenario involve firing Lindsey? He's just going to be here snowballing young assets and missing the playoffs?

Nope. It's Utah. They kept Corbin over Hornacek.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say you want a title at all costs, and when the team isn't good enough for a title, whine he the GM blows it up to try to get a better draft pick to find that player.

 

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I refuse to believe that. I'd have to say that'd be negligent and it's just posturing.

This figures to be the most legendary PG draft ever seen, no way Lindsey is turning a blind eye to other options just because of Exum.

Look at what Lindsey has built: Hayward can play 1-4. Hill can play 1-3. Johnson can play 2-4. Hood can play 2-3. Exum can play 1-2. Being all in on Exum doesn't prevent you from taking a PG.

 

[Game6Conley]

Look at what Lindsey has built: Hayward can play 1-4. Hill can play 1-3. Johnson can play 2-4. Hood can play 2-3. Exum can play 1-2. Being all in on Exum doesn't prevent you from taking a PG.

Color me unimpressed, I say that type of stuff is easily accomplished.. Giannis can guard 1-5 and where'd that get Milwaukee last season? And they signed a max player that many teams were bidding on.

vs. bottom-feeders some of that may ring true.

Joe Johnson isn't guarding Klay Thompson. Hill isn't guarding Kevin Durant, Hayward isn't guarding Steph Curry. This is about trying to counter Golden State. Thats how the games been rigged, I know many are ready to lay down, fetal position style and wait it out, not me tho. It's clear how the Jazz can position themselves to counter this style of ball.

As i've already outlined the frontcourt in place is built to cause them issues, the $64,000 question is how can the wings and guards be tweaked to try and keep the pace enough so that the frontcourt advantage is enough to win.