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do jazz really need another wing player when we have miles?

Im really impressed, you have consistently been the worst poster on Jazzfanz over the past month, congratulations.
 
If CJ Miles plays consistent the rest of the year than I would say no reason to go after a wing player. But CJ Miles has never shown consistency.

He is playing great but he still jacks too many 3 point shots. Doesn't get to the foul line enough. Shot selection is still bad. So we will see. He could easily become an all-star if he improved his playmaking and getting to the foul line.
 
Twin Towers said:
If CJ Miles plays consistent the rest of the year than I would say no reason to go after a wing player. But CJ Miles has never shown consistency.

He is playing great but he still jacks too many 3 point shots. Doesn't get to the foul line enough. Shot selection is still bad. So we will see. He could easily become an all-star if he improved his playmaking and getting to the foul line.
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I'm sorry. One great game does not equate to "playing great." Big Al is playing great. CJ is playing inconsistently. You can count on CJ Miles to play spectacularly well every eighth game. Sometimes you'll get two in a row. Most of the time he's below average. Sometimes he's downright awful. I suspect that if you gave any scrub in the league the burn that Miles gets, they'd do the same thing. Put Vujacic or Casspi or somebody on this team and give them the green light to jack up a contested three pointer from two feet beyond the arc whenever they want, and they'll get hot about every eighth game and put 20+ points on the board. CJ is total fool's gold. It's amazing how, whenever he has one of his good games, we start to believe. We start to say, "what if... what if he could do this consistently?"

He can't. That's why he's CJ Miles and not Paul Pierce. The Jazz need help on the wings.

Edited to add: I can see that you and I are in general agreement, Twin Towers. This post was more directed at the room than specifically at you. :)
 
Miles has nothing to do with this. We need depth at the wings. Look at Portland. Matthews/Roy/Fernandez/Batum. Wallace can play some 3. A huge part of their surge has been the fact they alternate hot hands and play the matchups. Draft whoever, but we've got plenty of room for good wings.
 
The problem we have is AK plays a wing position (SF) but moves more like a quicker PF without the strength of most NBA PF's. CJ and Hayward, and hopefully Evans could become very good wings, IMO. AK is a poor wing; can't dribble in traffic at all!!
ABSOLUTELY go with BPA when the draft comes...
 
LogGrad98 said:
Using this as "proof" that he really is a phenomenal 3pt shooter when his % is the lowest in his career .
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Not true. This is not the worst 3pt% of his career. It would be his 4th worst. At 34.5% he's better than last year and the 1st 2 years he was in the league. As a starter he really has been a good 3pt shooter this year. As the backup when he was the only scoring threat he struggled.
 
gregbroncs said:
Not true. This is not the worst 3pt% of his career. It would be his 4th worst. At 34.5% he's better than last year and the 1st 2 years he was in the league. As a starter he really has been a good 3pt shooter this year. As the backup when he was the only scoring threat he struggled.
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Paul Millsap, AK and Bell all have better 3 pt% than CJ. In fact CJ is 149th in the league in 3pt%.

CJ's percentages for the last 4 years:

FG%
.479
.459
.429
.417

3pt%
.390
.352
.341
.345

Not a trend I would hitch my horse to personally.
 
I think we need a genuine big man to play center (rather than using PFs playing as undersized Cs next to an undersized PF) more than we need a scoring wing. That would address several problems - interior D, help D, and rebounding. Adding even more inside scoring wouldn't hurt either, but isn't necessary.

Having said that, an upgrade at the wing is needed too. Miles isn't as bad as some on this board say, and Hayward is also decent, IMHO, but neither are a top-tier player - nice pieces to have, but not the quality required. Bell and AK are done.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Paul Millsap, AK and Bell all have better 3 pt% than CJ. In fact CJ is 149th in the league in 3pt%.

CJ's percentages for the last 4 years:

FG%
.479
.459
.429
.417

3pt%
.390
.352
.341
.345

Not a trend I would hitch my horse to personally.
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If Bell would shoot them more often that would be fine. And Millsap's % is great but again how many has he taken? AK has been really good from 3 this year. None of AK, Bell or Millsap have been asked to be the ONLY scoring threat for the 2nd unit. CJ was for most of the year. I don't know how to look it up but I imagine CJ's 3pt % as the starter are quite a bit better than his season %.

Again CJ with player's on the floor to help carry the burden has been acceptable. He should have been starting all year and Hayward should be his backup. As for Bell he should never have been signed. AK and Evans at SF with Miles and Hayward at SG is better than including Bell at all. Bell's absolute non factor on offense is killing this team.

Okay looked it up. As the starter CJ is shooting 48.8% from the field and 43.6% from 3. Both %'s are far better than Bell has performed in that role. He is also averaging 22 PPG. While some of these #'s have to do with that 40 point performance it is still significantly better than Bell has performed at any time during the season.
 
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Twin Towers said:
If CJ Miles plays consistent the rest of the year than I would say no reason to go after a wing player. But CJ Miles has never shown consistency.

He is playing great but he still jacks too many 3 point shots. Doesn't get to the foul line enough. Shot selection is still bad. So we will see. He could easily become an all-star if he improved his playmaking and getting to the foul line.
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No need for another wing? So you're satisfied with a rotation of Miles, Hayward and Bell?
 
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