Let's discuss QS's offense

[candrew]

For starters, the first pass of the offense is to a big man at the top of the key; the big man never looks to shoot or to pass to someone who will, so the defense uses the time to get set. That's 5 seconds off the clock before we even think of shooting the ball.

Yep - this is a Sloan leftover that doesn't work that well when you don't have a HOF or AS PG who can create something out of nothing when the first set doesn't work.

 

[Game6Conley]

For starters, the first pass of the offense is to a big man at the top of the key; the big man never looks to shoot or to pass to someone who will, so the defense uses the time to get set. That's 5 seconds off the clock before we even think of shooting the ball.

nailed it

Yep - this is a Sloan leftover that doesn't work that well when you don't have a HOF or AS PG who can create something out of nothing when the first set doesn't work.

Gotta disagree with this, the problem with the offense is whats happening in the last 10-15 seconds of the clock not the first 9.

I'd say that wrinkle is essential to the teams identity and it's one of the reasons teams don't like to play the Jazz, it's in-part how they sludge up the game and get the action to go at their pace, and their quite good at it. It decreases the posessions which amplifies the importance of grabbing boards and forcing to's/not turning the ball over, which is an advantage they hope to hold vs most teams..

The Lakers werre certainly all sorts of frustrated by the time that 4th quarter rolled around, and playing good defense and running the shotclock out for the first 3 quarters will do that to teams. add in some effective 3pt shooting and playrs getting to the FT line and you've got the ingredients for a 50 win team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Gotta disagree with this, the problem with the offense is whats happening in the last 10-15 seconds of the clock not the first 9.

I'd say that wrinkle is essential to the teams identity and it's one of the reasons teams don't like to play the Jazz, it's in-part how they sludge up the game and get the action to go at their pace, and their quite good at it. It decreases the posessions which amplifies the importance of grabbing boards and forcing to's/not turning the ball over, which is an advantage they hope to hold vs most teams..

The Lakers werre certainly all sorts of frustrated by the time that 4th quarter rolled around, and playing good defense and running the shotclock out for the first 3 quarters will do that to teams. add in some effective 3pt shooting and playrs getting to the FT line and you've got the ingredients for a 50 win team.

Could it be that the issues in the last 10 seconds of the clock are in part a problem from taking to much time to actually get into a meaningful offensive position in a timely fashion?

 

[NAOS]

The motion and passes seemingly have less purpose than the motion offenses of San Antonio and Atlanta. It almost looks like the awful college offenses that pass around the top of the key for 30 seconds before taking a shot at the last second.

I'd just like more purpose... I understand it takes time though and offensive talent. We need guys to be decisive and look to threaten the defense instead of just pass around.

Yep, for a team that is supposed to rally around the concept of "force", it looks pretty "unforceful" a lot of the time.

The preseason games I saw looked a little different. We'd take advantage of an early PnR opportunity right off the break, or the initial ball handler would get below the free throw line and kick it out for some passes around the perimeter. Etc. The regular season games seemed to have regressed. Oh, and we aren't hitting shots.

 

[NAOS]

Could it be that the issues in the last 10 seconds of the clock are in part a problem from taking to much time to actually get into a meaningful offensive position in a timely fashion?

I think so. A good offense's initial action should meaningfully dent/erode the wall(s) the defense has erected. When our offense fails to do this, then it degrades into an iso possession (because it's based on spacing rather than weak-side action). I'm not thrilled about this, but, when healthy, it may be effective enough with our group to win a lot of games (thanks to the defense, though).

 

[fishonjazz]

nailed it

Agreed. Great post.
Giving the ball to gobert at the top of the three point line is the dumbest thing ever.

I will watch tonight and see how often Aldridge or gasol touch the ball outside the three point line. (And they even have that three point range yet I still bet Gobert has the ball in his hands outside the three point line more than gasol or aldridge)

 

[zyzz]

For starters, the first pass of the offense is to a big man at the top of the key; the big man never looks to shoot or to pass to someone who will, so the defense uses the time to get set. That's 5 seconds off the clock before we even think of shooting the ball.

Yeah, I see this on a ton of possessions. Kind of weird that Snyder was labeled as an offensive mastermind when he was hired, but he turned around the defense and the offense is kind of meh. He's the Dante Exum of coaches lol. Pre-draft he was a question mark at best on defense and an offensive whiz and is the opposite so far in the NBA.

Side note, Bovada has Snyder as the 4th most likely coach to be fired for some reason.
https://twitter.com/adijoseph/status/793483338019442688

 

[Jazz4ever]

He can draw all the Xs and Os he wants, but at some point one of our players still has to make an aggressive move and beat a defender in the lane. Hill has been in charge of that for the most part, but he's not the fastest player anymore I don't think we can count on him as a first option. Joe Johnson is old. Favors has been on limited minutes. Burks and Hayward....gone. Exum and Lyles have been in their shells early on. It's a recipe for disaster. Hayward will help a ton. This isn't a surprise last year the offense was dreadful without him against 1st units.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

One thing is for sure, it's so often butt ugly to watch

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah, I see this on a ton of possessions. Kind of weird that Snyder was labeled as an offensive mastermind when he was hired, but he turned around the defense and the offense is kind of meh. He's the Dante Exum of coaches lol. Pre-draft he was a question mark at best on defense and an offensive whiz and is the opposite so far in the NBA.

Side note, Bovada has Snyder as the 4th most likely coach to be fired for some reason.
https://twitter.com/adijoseph/status/793483338019442688

I would argue that he didn't turn around the defense, Gobert and Favors did that. Having a capable big defender allows the perimeter players to roam. Then the defense can almost just naturally fall into place. I haven't seen anything that would imply coaching is responsible for the improvements in defense, as his switch scheme and forcing the ballhandler is pretty run-of-the-mill.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Serious discussion. I'm sincerely curious what the junkies think.

Problem is, we don't really have a lot of junkies here. Notice the vagueness with which most people post about their impressions of the offence.


I dunno. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the coaching staff decide on their offensive plays and the reasons behind those decisions.

You have to think they try all sorts of stuff in practice but whatever isn't successful doesn't transfer over into gameday

 

[Deleted member 848]

I would argue that he didn't turn around the defense, Gobert and Favors did that. Having a capable big defender allows the perimeter players to roam. Then the defense can almost just naturally fall into place. I haven't seen anything that would imply coaching is responsible for the improvements in defense, as his switch scheme and forcing the ballhandler is pretty run-of-the-mill.

there is much, much more to planning a defensive system than "having a big-man and letting the perimeter defenders roam".

How did Boston post one of the best team-defences in the NBA last year without a rim protector?