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Favors and our offense

themanknownassting said:
And to think of Lyles taking Favors spot is a ****ing nightmare. The guy can't defend if his life depend on it. He has games where he tries harder than other times, but for the most part he is terrible. And don't get me started on rebounding. These are fundamentals that all NBA players should know, but yet don't. Favors knows defense and rebounding. Maybe not right now. But our future without him scares me. Yea we have done well so far. But if Gobert goes down and we have to rely on withey and Lyles. Lord help us!


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Future success and grandeur of the Jazz rest on Gobert being great and therefore healthy. It's as simple as that. If Kawhi gets injured or Lebron or Paul or De Rozan, their team won't be able to contend anymore. It's just normal.
 
veji1 said:
Future success and grandeur of the Jazz rest on Gobert being great and therefore healthy. It's as simple as that. If Kawhi gets injured or Lebron or Paul or De Rozan, their team won't be able to contend anymore. It's just normal.
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I agree on the offensive side of the ball those teams would be in trouble. But I'm talking more defense and rebounding. If Gobert goes down, favors can step in and do it to it so to speak. Before we even thin about trading favors we need to get another defensive minded big who can score and is cheap. I'm all for making the team better. But trading favors doesn't make us better in the long run. In fact it sets us back a few years at least. And I guarantee Hayward walks because of it. Not a smart move. You might as well blow it up and rebuild again.


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themanknownassting said:
I agree on the offensive side of the ball those teams would be in trouble. But I'm talking more defense and rebounding. If Gobert goes down, favors can step in and do it to it so to speak. Before we even thin about trading favors we need to get another defensive minded big who can score and is cheap. I'm all for making the team better. But trading favors doesn't make us better in the long run. In fact it sets us back a few years at least. And I guarantee Hayward walks because of it. Not a smart move. You might as well blow it up and rebuild again.
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Of course, the point is you don't trade Favors "to get better", you trade Favors because you won't be able to keep him once you pay Hayward (max) and Hill (not max but expensive, say 4/70or80 or so) and you need to cash in now to get some pieces (back up defensive big and a youngster + a pick for example) or face having to just let him walk in 2018. It would by no mean be a happy decision to make...
 
infection said:
I don't know why this is a big issue. Just extend Hill and that gives us 1 more year with this core intact. Either we're contending or we're not. Hill, on the other hand, is a FA next year. I'd rather roll the dice with another year of Hill and Favors and if we're close to a championship see how that changes the dynamic of what Favors wants to do.
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Roll it forward a year... hopefully we can extend Hill this year using some of our cap space. Once hayward is signed we can either play it out with Favs, extend him, or trade him for something that will be cheaper.

It will also give us a better look at Trey, whatever we get in the draft this year, and see where Dante is. Maybe Dante flips the switch and we then move Hill...

I agree with doing what we need to to roll this thing forward for the next year or two... figure out the tough questions when we have to.
 
veji1 said:
Of course, the point is you don't trade Favors "to get better", you trade Favors because you won't be able to keep him once you pay Hayward (max) and Hill (not max but expensive, say 4/70or80 or so) and you need to cash in now to get some pieces (back up defensive big and a youngster + a pick for example) or face having to just let him walk in 2018. It would by no mean be a happy decision to make...
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Good post
 
themanknownassting said:
And I guarantee Hayward walks because of it. Not a smart move. You might as well blow it up and rebuild again.
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1st. We don't know what we would get for favors. Maybe Hayward would be thrilled with what we get in return and want to stay with the jazz even more. We have no way to know.
2nd. Hill, mack, exum, hood, burks, lyles, gobert, joe johnson, ingles, withey, diaw, and Hayward would be a damn fine team not necessary of a rebuild (we are seeing that right now with favors, burks and hill missing lots of time) add in whatever we get from the favors trade and I think we would be just fine by trading favors.
Now if you were right about Hayward leaving then that would leave us with whatever we got in the favors trade (I assume it would be a pretty good haul) hill, hood, gobert, lyles, burks, diaw, jj, ingles, exum, mack, withey, two 1st rounders in this draft plus multiple 2nd's, and all the money to spend that wasn't used on hayward to pick up a really good player in free agency.

This team has been built to withstand losing some players. Lots of good players but no one player that we depend on to the point we can't live without them.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Roll it forward a year... hopefully we can extend Hill this year using some of our cap space. Once hayward is signed we can either play it out with Favs, extend him, or trade him for something that will be cheaper.

It will also give us a better look at Trey, whatever we get in the draft this year, and see where Dante is. Maybe Dante flips the switch and we then move Hill...

I agree with doing what we need to to roll this thing forward for the next year or two... figure out the tough questions when we have to.
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It will also be interesting what part Hayward plays in it. He wants to win a championship and will probably pick DL's mind before he signs his name.
Will they give Hayward "mini-Lebron" type GM power where he gets a say in personnel decisions?
 
Jazz4ever said:
It will also be interesting what part Hayward plays in it. He wants to win a championship and will probably pick DL's mind before he signs his name.
Will they give Hayward "mini-Lebron" type GM power where he gets a say in personnel decisions?
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No... but if they make LT decisions that hurt ST prospects prior to his signing I could see him viewing that as negative.
 
fishonjazz said:
1st. We don't know what we would get for favors. Maybe Hayward would be thrilled with what we get in return and want to stay with the jazz even more. We have no way to know.
2nd. Hill, mack, exum, hood, burks, lyles, gobert, joe johnson, ingles, withey, diaw, and Hayward would be a damn fine team not necessary of a rebuild (we are seeing that right now with favors, burks and hill missing lots of time) add in whatever we get from the favors trade and I think we would be just fine by trading favors.
Now if you were right about Hayward leaving then that would leave us with whatever we got in the favors trade (I assume it would be a pretty good haul) hill, hood, gobert, lyles, burks, diaw, jj, ingles, exum, mack, withey, two 1st rounders in this draft plus multiple 2nd's, and all the money to spend that wasn't used on hayward to pick up a really good player in free agency.

This team has been built to withstand losing some players. Lots of good players but no one player that we depend on to the point we can't live without them.
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Ok then lets do it. I mean if you think it's going to be that peachy then I am all for it. I just think the team has to be careful about trading guys that can play both sides of the court. They are highly rare these days. And I don't trust in Lyles like many do here. I think he's a Boozer lite, with less offense and the same defense.

If we can get a 2 way player like Favs for cheap that can give us 12 a night, but can rotate and guard quicker players the same way Favs does than I say lets do it. I would hate to be the front office with this decision.
 
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