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the improbability of Joe Ingles' defense

gregbroncs said:
Because Ingles was playing solid position defense and had Lebron chose to dunk it he would have gotten an offensive foul. Ingles was in great position on defense throughout that game. Positioning is 75% (or more) of defense.
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I say it still defies logic. There were plays iso plays with tons of room and no double team where he made no attempt to drive. I assume he could go around an reverse if he needed that much distance to get past. I just don't buy that you just need position to guard Lebron and he will settle for fadeaways.

Regardless Joe is the man!
 
I've said ever since his first year he was one of the best transition defenders on the team, and would always make the right decision, whether it meant contesting or fouling or trying to draw a charge. Did not see his half court defense becoming this good though


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vegas said:
I say it still defies logic. There were plays iso plays with tons of room and no double team where he made no attempt to drive. I assume he could go around an reverse if he needed that much distance to get past. I just don't buy that you just need position to guard Lebron and he will settle for fadeaways.

Regardless Joe is the man!
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Ingles is quick for someone of his height, I think. He is not athletic in any convencional way, of course, he is not explosive, but his reaction time seems great. Besides, he has a great wingspan and, perhaps more importantly, has been playing with a lot of focus on the defensive end.
 
ghsartin said:
Ingles is quick for someone of his height, I think. He is not athletic in any convencional way, of course, he is not explosive, but his reaction time seems great. Besides, he has a great wingspan and, perhaps more importantly, has been playing with a lot of focus on the defensive end.
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He has quick hands, nothing about his feet are quick though. If you look at his DX page, he measured w/ a 6'10 wingspan which would make him our longest wing player. That is the source of his defense, his ability to both people with his length.
 
Funny thing was near the end of the game Ingles got called for a foul when Lebron did drive. When they showed the replay Ingles straight stripped Lebron cleanly and there was no foul on the play. I think the refs just couldn't buy that a guy like Joe could take the ball cleanly out of the hands of a driving Lebron going full speed.
 
I think people underestimate how good his strength, quick feet and quick hands are. More importantly he anticipates moves and gets to spots well. And finally I think he has perfected his 'Dad' look that like a waving red flag in front of a bull. Most NBA players can't help themselves.
 
Where he will struggle is guys that are great shooters. He gives enough space to get the shot off but contests.

He gets blown by here and there but has really figured out what he can and can't do... I never thought I'd enjoy a player like him as much as I have but he's one of my favorites to watch. Seems like the coolest guy on the planet tbh.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He has quick hands, nothing about his feet are quick though. If you look at his DX page, he measured w/ a 6'10 wingspan which would make him our longest wing player. That is the source of his defense, his ability to both people with his length.
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What's burks wingspan?
 
Crocodile Dante said:
defense is first and formost about desire. Next is about technique. ingles seems to have both
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Ugh. I dislike this rhetoric.

I don't care how much will or desire you have, if you don't have the physical tools, you cannot be a good defender. Measurables matter. I can make a guy care about defense, I can't make him faster, or longer.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I was laughing out loud for about half the game last night. It was my favorite game of the season (right behind the Jazz vs Spurs win). Joe Ingles was a huge part of the run we had before the half. Then Lebron came back the second half and kicked our butts for about 5 minutes until Quin came to his senses and put Jingles back in on Lebron. I paid close attention to watch what would happen and the results? Lebron missed his next shot and 3 of his next 4.

Jingles is a solid nickname, but with all of the references to him as an old, fat, slow man... I propose a new nickname.

Joe Ingles should just be known as:

DAD
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With the name Ingles, shouldn't it be Pa?
 
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JustTheTip said:
Ugh. I dislike this rhetoric.

I don't care how much will or desire you have, if you don't have the physical tools, you cannot be a good defender. Measurables matter. I can make a guy care about defense, I can't make him faster, or longer.
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And I disagree. I have coached basketball for 20+ years and having a desire to be a good defender is first.

Then second is knowing the techniques about keeping your butt down, arms ready, positioning and anticipation. Also knowing your players tendencies.

I will agree that measurables will make some one elite but Ingles doesn't have great measurables neither does hayward.

Look at JJ redick he has made himself into a serviceabke defender.

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Crocodile Dante said:
And I disagree. I have coached basketball for 20+ years and having a desire to be a good defender is first.

Then second is knowing the techniques about keeping your butt down, arms ready, positioning and anticipation. Also knowing your players tendencies.

I will agree that measurables will make some one elite but Ingles doesn't have great measurables neither does hayward.

Look at JJ redick he has made himself into a serviceabke defender.

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Redick is a good team defender. One on one he struggles. Hayward has very quick feet. Ingles is pretty long, big body, deceptively quick. Without those traits, no matter how hard they try, they would still struggle on defense.
 
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