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So I'm not sure if "3.2" beer is on it's way out or if Utah will find a way to continue the silly separation between "Utah beer" and "high point" beer. I hope it is on it's way out.

But what I want to talk about in this thread is how we get there from here. What I mean is, many people talk about "3.2" beer like it contains so little alcohol that it's essentially impossible to get drunk drinking it. They also compare 3.2% ABW (alcohol by weight)directly to the strength of other beer using the standard measurement used in the industry, ABV (alcohol by volume). This creates the false perception that "3.2" beer is weaker than it is and that other beer is dramatically stronger. From the perspective of someone who drinks beer there is a popular view that more alcohol is better and that we want to be able to feel it (become intoxicated). Beer drinkers don't need to be convinced that it's okay to drink stronger than 4%ABV (3.2%ABW) beer. Beer drinkers are not the ones holding onto the 3.2% rules.

The people who need to be persuaded don't drink. Like forreal. They don't drink at all. They don't understand drinking culture and they don't understand common drinking practices. It's all this shadowy mysterious activity that is certainly just a tolerated evil. When the curtain is lifted back it's typically only when the uglier parts of drinking can be seen. People passed out, people slurring their words and acting stupid. It's easy to assume that what they see is what drinking culture is.

Calling 4%abv beer "3.2" beer isn't helping. Why? Because the people who like the current restrictions see ditching the 3.2%abw rules as allowing a very large jump in the alcohol content in beer sold at grocery stores and gas stations. They assume that beer drinkers will just drink the same volume of beer and get WAY more drunk.

So let's make the distinction clear. Let's call "3.2" beer 4% beer. Let's also make clear that in states without the "3.2" rules Budweiser is 5%abv and in Utah it's 4%abv. Bud Light is 4.2%abv vs our 4%abv. Corona Extra is 4.6%abv, vs our 4%abv version.

So what I'm saying here is that the difference is not huge at all. This isn't about having access to stronger beer so that we can get super drunk super fast. This is about letting the taste and style dictate the alcohol content. Beer is not just an alcohol delivery system. It is a flavorful beverage and the alcohol is part of the balance that creates the desired flavor profile.

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GF, what do you think of Corona?


It's a hugely popular beer in Mexico isn't it? Your wife I think you've said is Mexican? I can't imagine you liking a commercial beer, but do you guys drink Corona at home? How about when her relatives visit? What do you think about it? Do you try and introduce them to your home brew instead?
 
GF, what do you think of Corona?


It's a hugely popular beer in Mexico isn't it? Your wife I think you've said is Mexican? I can't imagine you liking a commercial beer, but do you guys drink Corona at home? How about when her relatives visit? What do you think about it? Do you try and introduce them to your home brew instead?

Corona is not my favorite. I'll drink it if offered, there's nothing wrong with it.

Saying it is popular in Mexico is like saying Foster's is popular in Australia. I'm sure they drink all sorts of beer in Mexico, including Corona.

Corona is just a light lager just like 90% of the Mega-beer out there. The difference between Corona and Bud Light is not significant enough for me to choose one over the other and in both cases I'd just opt for an even cheaper light lager like Pabst or whatever else. Those beers are not identical but they are close enough that I have no real preference which one I'm drinking.

In blind taste tests people generally can't pick out their favorite brand between Budweiser, Coors and MGD. They go in thinking they very strongly prefer one and then can't pick it out when they don't see the label.

Anyway...

Got any insights on alcohol content or Utah potentially not having s supply of "3.2" beer in the near future? That's what this thread is about.

Oh...and my wife is Mexican in so far as her father who was born and raised in the U.S. was born to Mexican immigrant parents. My wife doesn't speak Spanish and has never lived in Mexico.
 
Game face have you ever tried a beer called "Beer 30"? Its genuinely the worst beer I have ever had in my life. It cost $12 for a 30 pack. Got it my freshman year of college.

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Utah needs to normalize their liquor laws. The fact that beer companies have to supply 4.0 for every retailer other than state liquor stores is quite ridiculous, IMO.
[MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION], if you're ever in Utah County I recommend you visit Strap Tank Brewery in Springville. It's about 10 miles south of Provo. They have a number of house brews and some nitros. I make it there a few times a month(food is a tad pricey, but pretty good). Plans fell through tonight with some friends, though it's probably a good thing being the Saturday before Valentines Day.
 
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Utah needs to normalize their liquor laws. The fact that beer companies have to supply 3.2 for every retailer other than state liquor stores is quite ridiculous, IMO.
[MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION], if you're ever in Utah County I recommend you visit Strap Tank Brewery in Springville. It's about 10 miles south of Provo. They have a number of house brews and some nitros. I make it there a few times a month(food is a tad pricey, but pretty good). Plans fell through tonight with some friends, though it's probably a good thing being the Saturday before Valentines Day.
Good post.
Except like GF said, let's stop calling it 3.2%. Just call it 4.0%
 
fwiw the only beer I drink (icehouse) recently went from
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Price remains the same (1 dollar per beer)
Hell ya. More bang for my buck.
 
fwiw the only beer I drink (icehouse) recently went from
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To

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Price remains the same (1 dollar per beer)
Hell ya. More bang for my buck.

Did they just happen to have them both at the liquor store at the same time?
 
Did they just happen to have them both at the liquor store at the same time?
No. We had like 6 beers left (5.5) and didn't want to run out so we went and bought another case and found they had changed the alcohol content.

That's the last 5.5 we have.
 
What I want the most is to be able to get draft beers at a bar or restaurant that are whatever percentage. Right now I can get beer at any percentage, no restrictions, but it has to be packaged, not on draft, if it is above 4%abv. That's the dumbest of the dumb.

Advantages of draft beer:

-Less expensive to package for the micro breweries. Fill one keg vs several hundred bottles.

-Less expensive to transport. Takes up less space and weighs less, so you burn less fuel per oz getting the beer to its destination.

-Easier to manage stock for bar/restaurant.

-Faster service times for customers.

-Less waste in the form of individual drink packaging (bottles/cans). Kegs are re-used.

-Many prefer the taste of draft beer.

Disadvantages of draft beer:

-People who don't drink and have no idea what drives drinking culture and the behaviors of people who do drink are afraid that beer on draft with an alcohol content above 4% will lead otherwise normal people to drink too much and then decide to drive.
 
What I want the most is to be able to get draft beers at a bar or restaurant that are whatever percentage. Right now I can get beer at any percentage, no restrictions, but it has to be packaged, not on draft, if it is above 4%abv. That's the dumbest of the dumb.

Advantages of draft beer:

-Less expensive to package for the micro breweries. Fill one keg vs several hundred bottles.

-Less expensive to transport. Takes up less space and weighs less, so you burn less fuel per oz getting the beer to its destination.

-Easier to manage stock for bar/restaurant.

-Faster service times for customers.

-Less waste in the form of individual drink packaging (bottles/cans). Kegs are re-used.

-Many prefer the taste of draft beer.

Disadvantages of draft beer:

-People who don't drink and have no idea what drives drinking culture and the behaviors of people who do drink are afraid that beer on draft with an alcohol content above 4% will lead otherwise normal people to drink too much and then decide to drive.

I personally love the taste of draft beer. To me the taste is at least x2 time better than bottled or canned beer. I know there are other advantages that you've listed, but to me the taste is by far the most important consideration.


If available, I would drink draft beer all day everyday.
 
I personally love the taste of draft beer. To me the taste is at least x2 time better than bottled or canned beer.


If available, I would drink draft beer all day everyday.

Is draft beer not available to you all day every day?

In Utah last call is 1am and I'm not sure when a bar can open but there is no alcohol sales in stores from 1am to 7am.

While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of having a last call time or whatever, I used to work nights and it was dumb having to abide by a rule written as if everyone works from 9-5 M-F.
 
Is draft beer not available to you all day every day?

In Utah last call is 1am and I'm not sure when a bar can open but there is no alcohol sales in stores from 1am to 7am.

While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of having a last call time or whatever, I used to work nights and it was dumb having to abide by a rule written as if everyone works from 9-5 M-F.

Sorry meant to say 'if draft beer is readily available', as in if it's available at home. It's a pain having to drive out to a bar/restaurant just to drink draft beer.
 
Utah needs to normalize their liquor laws. The fact that beer companies have to supply 4.0 for every retailer other than state liquor stores is quite ridiculous, IMO.
[MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION], if you're ever in Utah County I recommend you visit Strap Tank Brewery in Springville. It's about 10 miles south of Provo. They have a number of house brews and some nitros. I make it there a few times a month(food is a tad pricey, but pretty good). Plans fell through tonight with some friends, though it's probably a good thing being the Saturday before Valentines Day.

I want to try this place. I keep meaning to come down and meet some friends there but it always falls through. I actually want to try their new New Hope Brown that is a ode to Carrie Fisher
 
As a non-drinker, I firmly believe Utah liquor laws are antiquated and retarded. The whole Zion Curtain thing is just stupid.


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I want to try this place. I keep meaning to come down and meet some friends there but it always falls through. I actually want to try their new New Hope Brown that is a ode to Carrie Fisher

If and when you make it down, the Dirty Politician is a pretty good stout. I'm not a connoisseur by any means but I really liked it.
 
As a non-drinker, I firmly believe Utah liquor laws are antiquated and retarded. The whole Zion Curtain thing is just stupid.


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Isn't there legislation currently in the House now to do away with ZC?
 
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