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ONE LOVE said:
I personally love the taste of draft beer. To me the taste is at least x2 time better than bottled or canned beer.


If available, I would drink draft beer all day everyday.
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Is draft beer not available to you all day every day?

In Utah last call is 1am and I'm not sure when a bar can open but there is no alcohol sales in stores from 1am to 7am.

While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of having a last call time or whatever, I used to work nights and it was dumb having to abide by a rule written as if everyone works from 9-5 M-F.
 
Gameface said:
Is draft beer not available to you all day every day?

In Utah last call is 1am and I'm not sure when a bar can open but there is no alcohol sales in stores from 1am to 7am.

While I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of having a last call time or whatever, I used to work nights and it was dumb having to abide by a rule written as if everyone works from 9-5 M-F.
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Sorry meant to say 'if draft beer is readily available', as in if it's available at home. It's a pain having to drive out to a bar/restaurant just to drink draft beer.
 
RJF said:
Utah needs to normalize their liquor laws. The fact that beer companies have to supply 4.0 for every retailer other than state liquor stores is quite ridiculous, IMO.
[MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION], if you're ever in Utah County I recommend you visit Strap Tank Brewery in Springville. It's about 10 miles south of Provo. They have a number of house brews and some nitros. I make it there a few times a month(food is a tad pricey, but pretty good). Plans fell through tonight with some friends, though it's probably a good thing being the Saturday before Valentines Day.
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I want to try this place. I keep meaning to come down and meet some friends there but it always falls through. I actually want to try their new New Hope Brown that is a ode to Carrie Fisher
 
As a non-drinker, I firmly believe Utah liquor laws are antiquated and retarded. The whole Zion Curtain thing is just stupid.


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Ron Mexico said:
I want to try this place. I keep meaning to come down and meet some friends there but it always falls through. I actually want to try their new New Hope Brown that is a ode to Carrie Fisher
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If and when you make it down, the Dirty Politician is a pretty good stout. I'm not a connoisseur by any means but I really liked it.
 
bigb said:
As a non-drinker, I firmly believe Utah liquor laws are antiquated and retarded. The whole Zion Curtain thing is just stupid.


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Isn't there legislation currently in the House now to do away with ZC?
 
bigb said:
As a non-drinker, I firmly believe Utah liquor laws are antiquated and retarded. The whole Zion Curtain thing is just stupid.


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And that's just it. I think we have support to make reasonable changes, even among those who do not drink.

I think we (the segment of the population that drinks)need to keep a few things in mind.

First, we're not going to get anywhere if there is the slightest concern that the change will:

-encourage underage drinking

-encourage the over-consumption of alcohol

-increase the rate of DUIs

So just keep that in mind. We should all be proud that Utah has VERY low DUIs, low underage drinking and over-consumption isn't something on public display in most places around the state. We should all strive to keep it that way.

But that leaves a lot of room to make improvements that the alcohol consuming public would appreciate.

The draft abv rules will have no effect on anything. The Zion curtain has no effect on anything (especially since older establishments don't have one anyway). The abv of beer sold in griocery stores and gas stations might, honestly, have some effect, but I believe it will be negligible but may require a compromise that strengthens protections against DUIs.
 
There is a quiet push to normalize the laws.
That's why you're seeing the catering licenses and resort licenses.

The dumb stuff like distinguishing between where a beer is made, not being able to pour in public (the bartender), can buy shots of tequila, but not a full beer, and even the food requirement are under fire.. but of course it will be a process.

I have been asked to push for some of these things for my new resorts.. some decision makers WANT people to make it an "in their face" issue that they become forced to address vs. them bringing it up... personally. They want their hands forced.

My apologies for my obnoxious use of "them, they're, and they." I'm just not going to say specific names.

The reasons "they" want change isn't simply because they think the laws are dumb or because they personally have a beer interest. It's normally brought up that Utah has an unusual (and at times insurmountable) inability to attract huge conventions/corporate retreats because the perception (reality?) is the lack of night life and the laws are a "drag."

This is obviously a bigger issue in St. George than SLC/PC, but it's a statewide concern.

Anyway, yeah.. I think things will loosen up a bit and become a bit more normal.
 
Gameface said:
Saying it is popular in Mexico is like saying Foster's is popular in Australia. I'm sure they drink all sorts of beer in Mexico, including Corona.
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Nobody except maybe tourists drinks Fosters in Australia. I'd consider a 3.2% beer a mid strength and a horrible waste of money. Most beer sold here is between 4.5 and 5.5%, unless you're in a stadium and they'll offer a variety of light beers and mid strengths at 9 or ten bucks for 400ml at bars while they sell cans of full strength bourbon and coke or rum and coke next to them at 14 bucks a can. Work that out.
 
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