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"Alternative Facts": Trump's War on the Media

I like John Oliver a lot. I think he's more or less an independent thinker (who happens to be liberal), and his show often goes against the narrative of the zeitgeist to tackle real issues based on original research. That's why we get almost nothing about trivial progressive causes, like the Keystone pipeline, and more about actually significant issues, like special districts.

But in this episode, he has joined the narrative. I wouldn't be surprised if his next episode is about Trump's ties to Russia. And that is unfortunate.

The progressives who create most of the content in mass media has become hung up on Trump's stupidity. Ya, we get it. The man is uninformed. But in their outrage at Trump's character, they can no longer see the forest for the trees.

A lot of the stuff, although far from all, that Trump talks about are in fact real issues. That he talks about them in a stupid way doesn't make them any less real. A lot of his complaints have historically been shared by the left, but has now been abandoned because of their adoption by Trump. When Trump talks about the high crime rate, he's practically right. He's not literally right, as liberals love to point out. Crime is at an historic low. Yeah, but nonetheless, the US has a serious crime problem. By far the highest in the developed world. In some areas, it can fairly be called a crisis. But we're no longer interested in talking about that, because we want to talk about how stupid Trump is instead. I think I liked it better when the conversation was about gun control. As shallow a solution as that is, at least both sides acknowledged that the US has a crime problem.

The same applies to Trump's comments about blacks. Blacks ARE disproportionately poor. Black neighborhood DO have disproportionately high crime. It is a serious issue looking for a solution. But we no longer care about that. We care about self-righteous lovey dovey **** about how blacks can be found in all strata of society, and how hateful Trump's generalizations are.

Most importantly, I fully understand the gripe Trump's supporters have with the workings of the economy. "The economy recovered under President Obama, and we're basically at full employment". LOL. Line, hook, and sinker! In reality, we have significant unemployment (when you count ALL unemployed people, not just those who meet the complex criteria to be counted), and we have a ton of underemployed people. We also have a ****-ton of unskilled and semi-skilled workers who are wage slaves working 60+ hours a week to be able to provide a basic life for their family, while others continue to become richer and richer from the fruits of the poor sobs labor. And we managed to make this into some kind of nationalist creed, as if it's something to be proud of. Sad (Trump voice).

The thing with Trump is not that he's wrong about the problems the US is facing. It is that he doesn't understand the causes of these problems, and thus he's unable to provide meaningful solutions. The media should be providing input on why what he's doing won't work, and explain why certain alternatives might be better. But no. They validate Trump's supporters suspicion that the media and the government establishment are in cahoots, and that they don't have the good of the American people on their mind.

I think this is the biggest tragedy of Trump's presidency. The opposition has turned into ideology-cheerleaders who just want to see Trump fail. Trump's issues WERE their issues a few months ago. But now they're the issues of Trump and his stupid Nazi supporters. **** em. Let's just laugh at them!

I only have an hour before bed, and I'd like to smoke some weed and read a bit before falling asleep. So that was a very condensed version of what could have been a much longer rant. Good night. :)
 
I like John Oliver a lot. I think he's more or less an independent thinker (who happens to be liberal), and his show often goes against the narrative of the zeitgeist to tackle real issues based on original research. That's why we get almost nothing about trivial progressive causes, like the Keystone pipeline, and more about actually significant issues, like special districts.

But in this episode, he has joined the narrative. I wouldn't be surprised if his next episode is about Trump's ties to Russia. And that is unfortunate.

The progressives who create most of the content in mass media has become hung up on Trump's stupidity. Ya, we get it. The man is uninformed. But in their outrage at Trump's character, they can no longer see the forest for the trees.

I understand your point but disagree. I think holding people accountable for telling the truth is important. Issues are one thing that should be talked about but it is hard to talk or discuss them with someone who is misinforming the public on issues. There is no reason to attempt to address these issues when they are based on really bad information or lies. On top of that Trump and his associates are attempting to discredit real media, real news and real information. Suppressing facts is a real danger. I think those issues need to be addressed first. There is a large percentage of this country that believe what Trump is saying is the truth and what other media sources are a lie. Trumps intelligent levels have nothing to do with it. I assume he is not that smart but I honestly have no idea and do not really care.

But as far as the issues go I disagree with Trump more than any real candidate or President in my lifetime on issues. I agree with him on very very few issues. Most candidates on both sides I agree with a decent chunk of what they believe. But this is less of an issue to me now with him. It was a bigger issue during his campaign but not now that he is president. He has his mind made up on most issues and has made a plan that he is following. He is not veering from that plan any time soon so we need everyone in this country to be better educated on the topics that matter.

But I also dont really like John Oliver for his political stance or even most of the information he provides. I watch him for entertainment. I did not like him on the Daily Show but have been impressed with him on his own show. He is way to alarmist to take serious on most issues but he is funny and presents some good stuff.

I think addressing his lies, why people believe those lies and where they come from is a bigger issue than specific issues like border control. Suppressing good information and facts is a terrible slippery slope for our countries leaders. Those cannot be fixed until we get facts on the table and have open honest discussions about them without false information. Educating people on topics is more important than which side you fall on. But I think there are multiple solutions to every problem.

If I was a staunch Republican I would be more outraged at Trump or anyone who agrees with any of his policy ideas. He is making a joke out of issues you believe in and makes it easy for anyone who disagrees to point to lies and false information. Trump winning the presidency might end up helping the other side much more than if Clinton had won in the long term. Spreading lies and bad info will have a long lasting effect since these things get spread for a long time.
 
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The media should be providing input on why what he's doing won't work, and explain why certain alternatives might be better.

Right, because Trump and his supporters are so easily swayed by rational arguments. They don't shout them down, ignore them, or call them fake news.
 
Right, because Trump and his supporters are so easily swayed by rational arguments. They don't shout them down, ignore them, or call them fake news.

as an outside observer all sides of your politics shout each other down, call each other names, blatantly say things that just aren't true and don't indulge in intelligent discourse. I thought our politicians were bad until the last year or so.
 
as an outside observer all sides of your politics shout each other down, call each other names, blatantly say things that just aren't true and don't indulge in intelligent discourse. I thought our politicians were bad until the last year or so.

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Anyone listening?
:rollseyes:

I think my eyes may be permanently rolled back.

It'll do wonders for my bowling score.
 
Right, because Trump and his supporters are so easily swayed by rational arguments. They don't shout them down, ignore them, or call them fake news.

yeah because we are racist, homphobic, nazi, anti-semetic, fascist, mysonigst hmm must have forgotten a few
 
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