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An interesting article was posted in the Tribune.

Exactly where Gordon Hayward ranks in the pantheon of NBA stars is arguable, but one thing is not: He is the Jazz's top player, an invaluable piece in a rebuilt engine that is moving the team through the fourth turn and into the stretch run of a 2017 season that will end in the playoffs.

Yeah, so, that's a mixed metaphor. But Hayward is at the center of everything. Just think, if you dare, what the Jazz would be in the seasons ahead if Hayward, an unrestricted free agent in-waiting, were to sign somewhere else. Everybody panic. Not only would the Jazz lose their leader, there likely would be a negative snowball effect. If Hayward didn't re-sign, George Hill, another free agent, might not re-sign, and if neither Hayward or Hill stayed, where would that leave the Jazz engine then?

Without a star. In the pits. Mix this metaphor: It would flat suck.

The Jazz would find themselves set back two or three seasons, at least. All those deliberate steps, none of which were skipped, would have to be trod over again.

Dennis Lindsey knows this. The general manager, more than anyone, has poured his heart and soul, his energy and acumen into the Jazz's rebuild.

He was asked the other day how much he worried about holding onto Hayward, what he could do to hold onto him.

His answer was measured, but candid. He essentially made bare for all to see and hear the Jazz's pitch to their centerpiece. It veered around, hitting the important points, tinged on all sides with a this-is-all-we-can-do sense.

"There's quite a few things that go into answering that question," Lindsey said. "Are you investing in the team? What do your facilities look like? Gordon … we cleared the path for him to become a primary player. … There were two or three exit meetings where Gordon said, 'Hey, I can be a primary player. I can be the guy.' At the time, early in his career, there wasn't a lot of data that would prove that. So, you had to make a gut, visceral reaction to, 'Hey, this guy believes what he's saying, he's putting in the work, he's grinding to that point.'"

Lindsey continued.

"We had to make a gut decision towards that. [Gordon] recognizes it. He recognizes when the time came to add the veterans, we did so. The best thing we [could] do is draft and develop Rudy Gobert. And keep Derrick Favors. And have a coach who's really smart and dynamic that is able to bend the offense towards primary wings in Gordon and Rodney Hood. …

"And then you go into, 'Do you bend yourself over backward and be something that you're not … [No], you treat [Gordon] with great respect and care and be honest with him and [agent] Mark Bartelstein, and have Joe Ingles, who also has Mark Bartelstein, come in and develop as a 27-year-old.

"You're hopeful that just operating from a value-based standpoint, operating from a position of truth and humility will be enough. Let's be frank, we have an incumbent advantage. We have a fifth year and higher raises and a state that isn't very expensive to live in, and a great coach.

"And think about this: If you're a primary player anywhere in the NBA, let's set Gordon aside, and you have a true franchise cornerstone in Rudy Gobert, who doesn't really need the ball to contribute, then that's more possessions for the 1, 2, 3, and 4s. We don't care if Rudy Gobert turns into Hakeem Olajuwon. We just want him to be the best version of Rudy Gobert that he can be. If you're looking at it from a free agent's standpoint, where do I have to go and share the ball with someone? There's only 90 to 100 possessions in a game, you can only divide that up so many ways.

"The best way to summarize it is, just day to day, do the right thing. Then, you can look at yourself in the mirror and say, 'We did everything possible to keep a good player.'"

There you have it.

The Jazz will sell to Hayward the franchise's facilities and commitment, the quality of the coach, the other players, the club culture and makeup, the fact that the other biggest star on the team — Gobert — does not need or demand the ball at the offensive end, leaving more opportunity for Hayward to take shots, to pile up numbers and glory, to be the star he's been so happy to become this season. On account of league rules, they will offer Hayward more money and a longer deal than anyone else can. And, finally, they will underscore and count on the fact that they are good, capable people who do things the right way and who will earn Hayward's loyalty.

Which is to say, the Jazz will do everything they can to keep the man they drafted in 2010, the one who told them he could be the guy and who, in fact, when given the chance, actually became the guy. They'll pay him a ridiculous amount of money, they'll go on tossing him the keys to the car and let him drive the thing hard moving forward. They'll sign whoever else they can to maintain the Jazz as a legitimate team, which includes targeting Hill.

The irony in all of that is this: Hayward has indicated, outside of money, his primary emphasis is winning, contending for a championship. If he plays up to the form he has shown this season, the Jazz's chances for that kind of success are greatly enhanced. If he doesn't, they are not. So, if he holds up his end of the deal, and others contribute sufficiently, he'll win and he'll want to stay. If he doesn't … Everybody panic. Stars overhead be damned. That rebuilt engine could be in pieces all over a very earth-bound road.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/5013951-155/monson-jazz-gmgt-dennis-lindsey-offers
 
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"Without a star"?...Sorry Rudy, you're nothing in the eyes of the Tribune writers. Hope that pisses you off...
 
"Without a star"?...Sorry Rudy, you're nothing in the eyes of the Tribune writers. Hope that pisses you off...

You shouldn't have overread this line:
"And think about this: If you're a primary player anywhere in the NBA, let's set Gordon aside, and you have a true franchise cornerstone in Rudy Gobert, who doesn't really need the ball to contribute[...]
 
Like I have said all along, hayward ain't going anywhere. I'm not, and never have been even a little worried.
 
With a $102M salary cap next year, it is possible for the team to sign both Hayward and Hill to approx. $20M a year, but they will probably have to lose Diaw and not use the team option on his contract.

I think losing Diaw is preferable to losing Hill.

Make it happen Lindsey.

If either of them push for max... I don't see that we can keep both, which makes it very difficult for me to see a continued push for deep playoff runs.
 
With a $102M salary cap next year, it is possible for the team to sign both Hayward and Hill to approx. $20M a year, but they will probably have to lose Diaw and not use the team option on his contract.

I think losing Diaw is preferable to losing Hill.

Make it happen Lindsey.

If either of them push for max... I don't see that we can keep both, which makes it very difficult for me to see a continued push for deep playoff runs.

Hayward is getting a max contract. If Utah doesn't offer him one someone else will.
 
'We did everything possible to keep a good player.'

I wonder how Lyndsey would answer any questions Hayward had about this year's trade deadline, Hill's extension, etc? I think he may take exception to the phrase quoted above.
 
With a $102M salary cap next year, it is possible for the team to sign both Hayward and Hill to approx. $20M a year, but they will probably have to lose Diaw and not use the team option on his contract.

I think losing Diaw is preferable to losing Hill.

Make it happen Lindsey.

If either of them push for max... I don't see that we can keep both, which makes it very difficult for me to see a continued push for deep playoff runs.

dude, look at max contract values for Hayward. That's what he's getting. Here or somewhere else.
 
It's Jazz or Boston, Gordon isn't going anywhere else. If we make a run to the WCF this season I think he's a lifer. 1st round exit & not on an All-NBA team? My money is that he's gonezo.
 
With a $102M salary cap next year, it is possible for the team to sign both Hayward and Hill to approx. $20M a year, but they will probably have to lose Diaw and not use the team option on his contract.

I think losing Diaw is preferable to losing Hill.

Make it happen Lindsey.

If either of them push for max... I don't see that we can keep both, which makes it very difficult for me to see a continued push for deep playoff runs.

You think losing Diaw is preferable to losing Hill? That's bold.
 
It's Jazz or Boston, Gordon isn't going anywhere else. If we make a run to the WCF this season I think he's a lifer. 1st round exit & not on an All-NBA team? My money is that he's gonezo.

There's a chance this is the right take. Which makes the hand-sitting/cakk-bakking at the deadline all the more puzzling.

But,

'We did everything possible to keep a good player.'
 
It's Jazz or Boston, Gordon isn't going anywhere else. If we make a run to the WCF this season I think he's a lifer. 1st round exit & not on an All-NBA team? My money is that he's gonezo.
Hayward ain't going anywhere.
 
I think he Jazz keep Hayward and Ingles and I'm 50/50 on Hill. I'm still worried sac offers Hill big money and we balk.

Keeping those guys like costs us Favs and Burks this offseason. Depending on how well hood and Exum play the following year we likely trade or lose one of them as well.

Diaws deal won't be picked up but I would bring him back on a minimum deal if he wanted.

We will need to hit on our draft picks to become a contender. Would be great if Lyles developed into something close to what we had hoped.

We will likely shop the leftover free agent market for bargains but I think we can keep the team moving forward and with a little luck build a western final team around Hayward and Gobert... maybe more... but those two are the must haves.
 
Outside of his coach I'm not sure how appealing Boston really is... IT is the opposite of Gobert and is not under contract beyond next year. Horford is winding down... Brown and their BKN picks won't be major contributors for 3-4 years. Unless they trade them for something good I don't see them being a factor... even then you'd have Paul George or Jimmy Butler as the most likely guys and I'm not sure those guys work well with Hayward. I mean they'd coexist but those guys handle and shoot a lot. Hayward probably still gets another big contract after the one he signs this summer... may not want to defer that much unless it's to LeBron, Steph, or KD.

I think he stays... it's everything else that is tougher to project.
 
I think he Jazz keep Hayward and Ingles and I'm 50/50 on Hill. I'm still worried sac offers Hill big money and we balk.

Keeping those guys like costs us Favs and Burks this offseason. Depending on how well hood and Exum play the following year we likely trade or lose one of them as well.

Diaws deal won't be picked up but I would bring him back on a minimum deal if he wanted.

We will need to hit on our draft picks to become a contender. Would be great if Lyles developed into something close to what we had hoped.

We will likely shop the leftover free agent market for bargains but I think we can keep the team moving forward and with a little luck build a western final team around Hayward and Gobert... maybe more... but those two are the must haves.

perfect post for my "worry thread".

Do we have enough bullets in the chamber? This build is working right now, but it's on the fence in terms working long-term.
 
The best pitch for Hayward:

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