Following potential 2017 draftees...

[Game6Conley]

3 bigs?

If we took 2 then that third pick would be frank mason III he'll go higher tho

Team needs aren't applied. Swap DJ Wilson for (CG) Andrew Jones or (SF/PF) Canadian Justin Jackson and if you're really particular, Omer for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouMe1M-aRpo
or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ot2dLWVxrs

 

[BTP]

Pretty much this. Also are we talking catch and shoot or we talking microwave shooters who can get real hot off the dribble.

Because if it's not just roleplayer potential as a spot up guy, we'd have to include Fultz, Ball and Bridges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzwcFmj4Bwg
Bridges has really smooth mechanics and a great instinct for geometry. Look how he readjusts his angle to the basket by a few degrees a couple of times when he has enough time. His free throw struggles are weird to me, but I'm willing to give a 19 yr old the benefit of the doubt when he makes 2/5 3s a game with great mechanics.

 

[BTP]

I take it as guys who can space the floor and are thought of as consistent catch and shoot players first off. I think Markkanen is a perfect example of a "pure shooter".

I'd say the stuff from Bridges qualifies to make your list then
Such a smooth rhythm shooter. He's a lefty on top of that with some playmaking abilities. He'll have good amount of time to get his shot off.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because if it's not just roleplayer potential as a spot up guy, we'd have to include Fultz, Ball and Bridges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzwcFmj4Bwg
Bridges has really smooth mechanics and a great instinct for geometry. Look how he readjusts his angle to the basket by a few degrees a couple of times when he has enough time. His free throw struggles are weird to me, but I'm willing to give a 19 yr old the benefit of the doubt when he makes 2/5 3s a game with great mechanics.

He asked for a top 5 shooters tho. I'm not putting Fultz or Bridges up there. I'd probably put Ball for his insane range and consistency all year in catch and shoot.

Its a combo of stats and eye test.

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[BTP]

He asked for a top 5 shooters tho. I'm not putting Fultz or Bridges up there. I'd probably put Ball for his insane range and consistency all year in catch and shoot.

Its a combo of stats and eye test.

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To me it's not only about %s. It's also about how does his shooting project to develop. Looking at Bridges' pre season dx vid, his 3pt shooting was 29% in 35 listed games.
https://youtu.be/LOyxkHy-2_s?t=259
That 10% bump at age 18-19 is not too bad. Similar for Dennis Smith development, but I feel like Smith is very streaky and I don't know if that's because he sometimes plays out of control.
Fultz on the other hand alread shoots 42% on 5 attempts, similar to Bridges, but the degree of difficulty of his attempts is insane, due to the poor coaching and quality of his teammates. If you'd let him play in a sportsVU equipped arena the effective 3p% when you consider proximity of the contesting defender, being on the move vs catch and shoot, his adjusted %s would skyrocket.
His balance is really special when he pulls up and he's got a consistent release point at such a young age. Once his NBA squad starts winning(or maybe he'll win from the start - thx Billy King) and his team has proper spacing on the court, PnR defenses will face difficult dilemmas going over screens, switching and helping in driving/diving lanes. He's already unfazed by players going up to reject his 3s because he knows he's longer and ppl can't block him, only bother/irritate.

 

[Game6Conley]

Because if it's not just roleplayer potential as a spot up guy, we'd have to include Fultz, Ball and Bridges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzwcFmj4Bwg
Bridges has really smooth mechanics and a great instinct for geometry. Look how he readjusts his angle to the basket by a few degrees a couple of times when he has enough time. His free throw struggles are weird to me, but I'm willing to give a 19 yr old the benefit of the doubt when he makes 2/5 3s a game with great mechanics.

I mean just a few years back Fultz was just a mid-range shooter. Thats one of the reasons he was playing JV..

Bridges could've shot atrociously this year and still been a 1st rd one-and-done..

Ball is a player that went under consideration.


Markus Howard is a 5'10" PG I've made a few posts about here, he's actually too young for this draft despite being a freshman for Marquette. He led the NCAA's shooting 54.7% from 3.


James Blackmon Jr. could be in this draft he's easily a better shooter than most of the wings/guards listed in mocks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orR1KovO-rk

If we're being honest Malik Newman probably deserves a mention too. along with Derrick Walton Jr. and Monte Morris.

 

[BTP]

I mean just a few years back Fultz was just a mid-range shooter. Thats one of the reasons he was playing JV..

Bridges could've shot atrociously this year and still been a 1st rd one-and-done..

Ball is a player that went under consideration.


Markus Howard is a 5'10" PG I've made a few posts about here, he's actually too young for this draft despite being a freshman for Marquette. He led the NCAA's shooting 54.7% from 3.


James Blackmon Jr. could be in this draft he's easily a better shooter than most of the wings/guards listed in mocks..

If we're being honest Malik Newman probably deserves a mention too. along with Derrick Walton Jr. and Monte Morris.

True, I don't know much about NCAA basketball outside of high level draft prospects. But when you look at how does the shooting translate to the next level, those guys with versatility and shooting capability/potential are probably going to translate best because they have different tools to keep the defense honest and the size to make contesting/blocking a hard task to begin with.
I'll stick to my point though that Bridges projects to be a better shooter than Justin Jackson because he made the same jump from HS senior -> college frosh that Jackson made from college soph -> jr, while being in the same age group as college seniors. The likelihood that Bridges shooting develops better looks just higher to me and I enjoyed watching Jackson in the tourney.

 

[Game6Conley]

I just think of players who wouldn't even be discussed if not for their shooting, Grayson Allen comes to mind..

Sounds overly dramatic but his 3pt shot is his saving grace.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-QStWJOjcA

 

[BTP]

I just think of players who wouldn't even be discussed if not for their shooting, Grayson Allen comes to mind..

Sounds overly dramatic but his 3pt shot is his saving grace.

True, very legit. I just thought since 3 out of your 5 on the list were lottery guys with Markkanen, Jackson and Monk plus another 1st round lock with Kennard, I'd just add a couple other high level guys.

 

[Elizah Huge]

DX looks awfully foolish for putting Justin Jackson in the lottery after that 6/22 choke-job

[MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] who looks foolish now?


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[Game6Conley]

[MENTION=2408]PG_AB[/MENTION] who looks foolish now?


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You're the one who looks foolish, you're like a battered spouse with abandonment issues when it comes to minor movements in a mock, thats still 100 days from it's final update..

Your feeble attempts to pigeon hole finality into a strung out process of constant revision is a formation of your self-amusement and we all know it.

Wanna know something thats really funny? A cold reality we all know is true too..

You don't speak to people like this every day.. For you Jazzfanz represents a very serious form of escapism, a world where you get to talk **** and not get ragged on as you would do in person...

The punchline is You go to your job and take orders like most everyone else

Me, I don't have that problem.. how I uphold myself is how I am every day. I don't change masks from being at work, to being social or leisurely to some ******* internet persona, because that's completely unnecessary. You can't afford that luxury and it's manifested itself into a boyish Norman Bates persona, congrats.

You don't like me and thats good, I prefer it that way. Much more predictable. I take solace in the fact that you leave this forum and go do what your ****ing told hahahhahah..


Me on the otherhand, I have friends who are ex-pro's I play basketball several times a week, many of my friends are professional gamblers, many of my friends are huge college basketball fans, these are the networks I choose to keep.

I'm here talking about the **** that I'd be talking about if I wasn't here. Meanwhile you are here talking about ME... see whats queer about that?


Our conversations are like;

lets say there was a big lottery I wanted to enter in 100 days and I made a thread discussing which numbers I'm going to select, and posted every day til then. Things like "I like the number 21 today", you're the type who shows up and says well I like the number [whatever] and it;s better because I said do. Then tommrow I say I like the number 7 today, feeling good about it, and you say WAIT. WHAT HAPPENED TO #21, have you no faith? are you confused?



The scarcity of the position and overall firepower on the wing works greatly in Jackson's favor, and also the tapering off of Malik Monk's play.. After Fultz/Jackson and then Frank Ntilikina it's UNC's Justin Jackson..

 

[Elizah Huge]

I literally just wanted to know why you changed your mind on Jackson. Don't think it warranted that response at all. Stop getting upset when someone asks you a hard question.


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