Haberstroh: 82 Games Season Dead

[Ron Mexico]

But what if they extend the season by 2 weeks and give players more rest in between? What happens then? Would that have the same affect as taking out 10 games in a season? That's the kind of not-so-clear-cut question you've got to consider as well.


If you have your heart set on shortening the season, then yeah it's clear cut, but if you're Adam Silver he has to answer to the Board and 30 owners, then he's keeping an open mind about what he's going to be recommending, as well as having the 'relevant' studies to back up his recommendation.


Because when you're proposing a radical change such as taking out games, you better be damn sure that what you're doing is the right thing. This is not a 5th grade homework we're talking about, this is now a billion dollar business you're dealing with here.

I don't have my heart set on anything. I think you are projecting something on me. I am not arguing whether or not we should play less games. Yes more rest would also reduce injuries. But playing less will reduce injuries in the long haul. The less you put yourself in harm's way the less likely you are to get hurt.

Silver has many factors to look at but most important to him and the owners is money. I'm not arguing all of his factors. But if you want to trust his agenda then go for it. Clearly you don't want to do any research for yourself. Personally I have written multiple papers on this subject for my masters degree and been spent about a decade researching topics related to this singular issue not the other topics you are trying to turn it into.

 

[The Midnight]

I don't have my heart set on anything. I think you are projecting something on me. I am not arguing whether or not we should play less games. Yes more rest would also reduce injuries. But playing less will reduce injuries in the long haul. The less you put yourself in harm's way the less likely you are to get hurt.

I've said all I can, to me Adam Silver is doing the right thing in not rushing into anything and keeping his options open and looking at all the studies and deciding which studies are relevant which are not and how he can present a well informed solution to the Board.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I've said all I can, to me Adam Silver is doing the right thing in not rushing into anything and keeping his options open and looking at all the studies and deciding which studies are relevant which are not and how he can present a well informed solution to the Board.

Never argued that looking into it is a bad idea. I argued the conclusion he is trying to claim. I firmly believe his claims are incorrect. You tried to dispute that by leading the discussion to other things or that his claim might be right.

 

[The Midnight]

Never argued that looking into it is a bad idea. I argued the conclusion he is trying to claim. I firmly believe his claims are incorrect. You tried to dispute that by leading the discussion to other things or that his claim might be right.

He hasn't concluded anything, he just said he's been looking into the evidence, but he wasn't definitive about anything.


Did you see the press conference?

 

[Ron Mexico]

He hasn't concluded anything, he just said he's been looking into the evidence, but he wasn't definitive about anything.


Did you see the press conference?

Nope just responding to your quotes about it.

Adam Silver: "As a league we can look into reducing games, but the data is not supporting that".

That sounds like he is claiming the data does not support reducing games to reduce injuries. I disagree with that statement. If that quote you posted is out of context or incorrectly quoted by you and he is not claiming that, then I take back my argument against him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

NBA pace and intensity has gotten so high. It's so ballistic, with accelerations and change of directions, even the athletes who are best adapted to play the game incur some tissue damage, with muscle soreness generally peaking 24-48 hours out, at which point they can be playing another game after a long flight and crappy sleep. Do this 82 times, plus playoffs ... that's a recipe for injury

Going to assume sore muscles = more likely to get injured

 

[The Midnight]

Nope just responding to your quotes about it.

That sounds like he is claiming the data does not support reducing games to reduce injuries. I disagree with that statement. If that quote you posted is out of context or incorrectly quoted by you and he is not claiming that, then I take back my argument against him.

Well I can't post the whole transcript of what he said, that's why I put the source there for you to go and listen if you want to.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Well I can't post the whole transcript of what he said, that's why I put the source there for you to go and listen if you want to.

I just listened to it. It clearly sounds like PR spinning things the way they want and he does say in context that "As a league we can look into reducing games, but the data is not supporting that" in reference to reducing injuries. So ill stick to what I said about this one statement. Reducing games is a very complex issue with many factors but not if you only want to reduce injuries. Reducing games played will reduce injuries over time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I'm pretty sure there is a lot of data that suggest players just play better when they are given 2 days (especially for older players) or more of rest between games. I think wanting a high quality, consistent product should be something the NBA strives for. Back to backs (which I know they are reducing thankfully) and 1 day rest dont really provide that.

 

[The Midnight]

I still think the NBA would more likely consider increasing the season by 1-2 weeks (on top of the 1 extra week we'll have next year), and eliminate back-to-backs, and re-gather data and re-assess, before they even look at reducing the number of games. To me that's the most prudent approach.



But that's just me being a business person and thinking what I would do if the NBA is my business.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I still think the NBA would more likely consider increasing the season by 1-2 weeks (on top of the 1 extra week we'll have next year), and eliminate back-to-backs, and re-gather data and re-assess, before they even look at reducing the number of games. To me that's the most prudent approach.



But that's just me being a business person and thinking what I would do if the NBA is my business.

I agree that would be better for business. I also think they should cut out pre-season or have it be 2 games or something.

 

[The Midnight]

Also lost in the conversation is star power vs depth.


If you reduce the number of games to say 50 games, teams with super stars are gonna be better off, they don't need to rest their stars and can play them in every single game. Whereas if you stick with 82, it gives teams that don't necessarily have stars but are very deep a chance to get good seeding in the playoffs.


Reducing games is going to tip the scale to the likes of Cleveland, GSW, Clippers, etc, and that's not good for the Jazz or smaller market teams, or teams that don't have 3-4 All Stars on their teams.


What the super teams wants is go straight to playoffs with minimal wear and tear during the regular season as possible, and by reducing games, it's gonna play right into their hands.